Talk:Bouldering/Archive 1

Photo
I have just changed the photo since the previous one does not show the details of a person bouldering. More details can be seen, i.e. shoes, crash pads, taped fingers, and chalky hands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsriprac (talk • contribs) I added the first picture back because the article is long enough for two pictures :: maelgwn :: talk 09:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, excellent picture! Rwxrwxrwx 08:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Question
Just a question. I had previously inserted the following photograph into the 'Bouldering' article and it was deleted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rockclimbing.JPG

I can understand why it was replaced as the main image, since the other photograph is a better example of bouldering, but surely this one has its merits. The person in the photo is most certainly bouldering (he is only about 3 metres above the ground, despite the trick photography that suggests otherwise).  What does everybody else think? Is there a place for this photograph further down in the article? Because what he is doing is certainly not rockclimbing! Ackatsis 06:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am the editor who removed the image. I removed it because the photo gives no sense of bouldering as the angle from which it is taken looks as if he is free soloing a mammoth cliff! I'd suggest that this image is not clear enough in the context of bouldering to merit a place in the article as it could well confuse people who read the article and then see a photo that looks as if it is taken at a great height. That's my 2 cents - it's still a cool photo, just don't think it helps this article. Martin Hinks 10:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That picture of a person "bouldering" at Hanging Rock does not depict the sport of bouldering; the "climber" is wearing street shoes and apparently no chalk-bag, and not engaging in what would be regarded as bouldering moves. The Saint-Just photo (featuring bouldering moves, climbing shoes, and crash-mat) is an accurate representation of the sport (though if it featured a spotter and visible chalk-bag it would be better). The Hanging Rock picture is pleasant but it doesn't belong here; I think it should be removed. Rwxrwxrwx 12:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * agreed....maybe if we could show a picture of a climber canvassing up a small boulder with the crash pad in view, and wearing a chalk bag, that would be better. &rArr;    SWAT Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  09:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I also agree, Image:Rockclimbing.JPG does show a boudering climber. I put the St Just picture. I am sorry about the chalk bag, but neither my son (on the picture) nor me use chalk when we climb. That is why you cannot see it. Romary 13:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Ropes?
We appear to have conflicting statements, the first line of the article: "Bouldering is a type of rock climbing undertaken without a rope..." and then we have a Gear->Ropes section saying that ropes used to be used occasionally. I was under the impression that once you put on a harness and tie into a rope, you are no longer bouldering, you are top-roping, as the risk of falling is part of the sport. I don't know that much about the history of the sport though, so I thought it would be best to see what everyone else thinks. - Robogymnast 03:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Bouldering does require top-ropes to practice really high-ball problems such as the Peabodies in Buttermilks, Bishop, CA. It is still a part of bouldering equipment since it is used to preview/practice dangerously high bouldering problems. Rsriprac 01:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Horse Pens 40 bouldering image
I'm not really a fan of this image in the article. It doesn't really contribute anything - the climber's face is obscured (which, whilst not immediately damning to the photo's usefulness, just looks amateurish to me) and the climber (to my completely inexperience eye, at least) doesn't appear to have any of the normal bouldering equipment. It just looks as if somebody climbed two metres up a cliff-face, took a photo and tried to pass it off as bouldering. Of course, these are just my humble impressions, and I really don't know much about the sport at hand, so I decided to check if I'm in the minority on this before I considered removing the photo. The French photo (showing the crash pad) is a much better indication of bouldering, I think. Any thoughts? Ackatsis 09:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, he's not even wearing climbing shoes! Rwxrwxrwx 14:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. Due to a... er, overwhelming show of support, I'm now going to remove the suspect image. If anybody still has any problems, take it up with me here. Cheers! Ackatsis 12:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I took the picture and I really don't care if you take it down. That said, here is my justification for putting it there:

That particular location, Horse Pens 40, is renowned as the bouldering capitol of the south. Also, having a "crash pad" is kind defeating the purpose, don't you think? Why climb with no ropes if you still have a pillow to fall back on? Also, those are climbing shoes, or, at the very least, they aren't impeding his ability to climb. And, no that's not me on the rock. So, there it is. The picture still lives over at the Horse Pens 40 article.24.181.107.29 08:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The shoes are clearly not climbing shoes and he would be able to climb better without them. A crash pad is standard bouldering equipment and so it is useful to demonstrate this in an article. He has his underwear showing - this is reason enough for me to remove the photo. :: maelgwntalk 08:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * People tend to get quite attached to their photos, but Wikipedia is not Flickr. Bouldering is a specialised sport which uses special equipment and techniques. Allowing that one to stay would be a bit like having the article about racewalking illustrated by a picture of a little old lady shuffling down the road with her shopping bag. Rwxrwxrwx 09:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I had no idea you were such a pilgrim, maelgwntalk. Again, I do not give a shit if you take the picture down. All I'm saying is that a crash pad is kinda puss.--66.32.105.180 00:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Its obvious you are clueless about climbing and your objective is just to get your crappy photos onto Wikipedia so you can spam-link to your crappy blog. Thats definitely puss. Rsriprac 15:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

As a person who climbs v7, I can accurately say that nearly noone anywhere would climb as hard as I do today if it weren't for crashpads and shoes. You'd have broken ankles before you ever got remotely close to good enough. So this 'puss' argument is ridiculous. The speedwalking analogy is appropriate but insufficiently extreme... it would be like a sprinter running barefoot on concrete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.137.88.205 (talk) 08:00, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Just historical context here - Jim Holloway was climbing V13 in the late 70s long before the first crashpad ever showed up. Sherman was sending double digit problems in Hueco with only a carpet square. —Preceding unsigned

Editing the text
I dont want to step on anyones toes but I do think that much of this article could be rewritten to make it clearer and really express the subtleties of bouldering. Im fairly new to wiki but I do understand the principle of discussing things before changing them. In this case however, I think it would be too messy and confusing to display all of the small edits, so I am just going to make them. Im happy to discuss any of them. Gripnik 20:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Go for it, this article could do with some work for sure. If you have any good references (WP:CITE) that would be the best improvemnet. Discussion is generally only needed when their is conflict or potential for conflict. :: maelgwn - talk 06:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Places to boulder stub
I've just added a climbing-stub template to the Places to boulder section in the hopes that it will draw attention to it, allowing climbers to add their knowledge to the collective. I would myself, but my knowledge of bouldering spots is very limited geographically (Val-David, Quebec and Gatineau, Quebec), the latter location is especially limited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msanford (talk • contribs) 02:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This article is vandalized
I'm new to Wikipedia, but the following look like vandalized text:

"Some have argued that the rout of the name stems from that fact that those climbers who are predominantly or exclusively involved in bouldering have serious "problems" or mental instability or even mental impairment."

"A lack of self respect, or sense of decorum"

"Dyno (n.)   Any of various extinct, often gigantic, carnivorous or herbivorous reptiles of the orders Saurischia and Ornithischia that were chiefly terrestrial and existed during the Mesozoic Era. "

"Flash (v.)   Emitting light in sudden short or intermittent bursts "

"Jam (v. n.)   A preserve made from whole fruit boiled to a pulp with sugar. "

"Jug (n.)   Derogatory term for a woman’s breasts "

Butternutt12 (talk) 08:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Butternutt12, and welcome to Wikipedia! I have reverted the edits in question and warned the vandal.  Thank you for bringing this to our attention.  Remember, Wikipedia is an open encyclopedia...  in the future, don't be afraid of making changes yourself!  And if you need help, feel free to ask :)  -Clueless (talk) 11:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Branching Terminology
I think the terminology section oughta be branched into its own article. Couple reasons. First, it's long. Second, a lot of the info there applies to all kinds of climbing. A dyno is a dyno and a jug is a jug regardless what kinda climbing you're doing.
 * Ok this is me again, unless I hear from someone, I'm going to branch this section, and I'm going to start putting a tag at the beginning of climbing articles that says 'This article uses climbing terminology.' So speak up if you have a problem with it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.137.88.205 (talk) 07:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Places to boulder
Hi. I would like to remove indoor places from this page. I think this is for natural spots. Otherwise this will become soon an ad page for climbing gyms. If I do not see objections I will proceed shortly. Mpaa (talk) 18:14, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You have a point.  Wekn   reven  16:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Lucid Dreaming Only Unchallenged V16?
The article stated that LD was the only unchallenged problem of that grade. Not ignoring fact that it is a 50 foot dead ball and has only been around since Feb. 2010, shouldn't The End (Urh Cehovin's 16 move problem in an obscure Slovene crag) be included in the list by these criteria? Wekn  reven i susej eht Talk• Follow 16:02, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The Wheel of Life is also a little odd. There is some controversy over whether it is a boulder problem or a "boulder route". Although the definition for 'problem' is not set in stone, 30 or 40 moves seems to be as high as that goes. Even Dai himself admitted that it wasn't bouldering. As for the Game, it has been downgraded to V15 by Carlo Traversi. I think it would be better to include proposed V16s in a seperate paragraph. As of yet, under 50 V15s have been climbed anyways. Wekn  reven i susej eht  Talk• Follow 16:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)