Talk:Boulevard of Broken Dreams (Green Day song)

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Why is it wriiten that this song is Punk Rock? 1. Green Day are not Punk Rock 2. This song is definitely not Punk Rock 3. It should be Pop but it has some guitars in it so I guess Pop Punk will be the best option in this case--88.153.86.189 18:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Request to add: In VH1's Storytellers program featuring Green Day, Billie Joe Armstrong has stated that the title of the song was "nicked" from a themed photo album (of the same title) that features James Dean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by C Dyan84 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

This isn´t isn´´t Punk at all or Alternative as it are listened now, is mainstream Rock. I´ll change to Rock. pitoresco 17:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I wonder why its labeled as "explicit" for only one f-word... That's annoying... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bandgeek100 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

YouTube links
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Link spam
I added a link to the lyrics for this song, which appears to be a very common external link in most other song pages. Why was this reverted? I wouldn't consider it spam at all, for the reason above. Furthermore there are other articles with links I would consider more worthy of this tag. Scott 01:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Svivian (talk • contribs)
 * UPDATE -- this issue is discussed at WP:VP/P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Svivian (talk • contribs) 15:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

any info on Noel Gallagher suing them? It IS a ripoff in my opinion! Played the same as wonderwall but with a capo on the 1st fret instead of second, and rhythm very similar. Greenday are sh!te —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.88.91 (talk) 01:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you know that this song proves that Billie Joe Armstrong is a better songwriter than the guy from Oasis. Because this song's lyrics are better than Wonderwall's, and that's a fact you can prove. Zzguitar14 (talk) 01:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Speaking OF alleged plagiarism
The beginning riff of this song is suspiciously similar to the riff of 25 or 6 to 4. Just thought I'd throw it out there; let's see if we can produce sources justifying my claim. &mdash;Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 04:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The chord progression of '25 or 6 to 4' doesn't sound similar to 'Boulevard' to me, for one thing it's high to low notes; 'Boulevard' is the reverse. Could be the same chords in a different order, I suppose, but then it's not the same chord progression, is it?

Not an endless supply of chords out there ... As for Oasis, I'm confused by the suggestion that 'Wonderwall' was inspired by or borrows from Pink Floyd's 'Vera'. The only similarity is that the former includes the line, "I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now" and the latter, "Does anybody else in here feel the way I do?" 'Wonderwall Music' was George Harrison's soundtrack album from the late 60s - they're well-known for the Beatles fixation but hardly for any interest in Vera Lynn.

Anyway, that tidbit is about 'Wonderwall' ... it doesn't really belong on the 'Boulevard' page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.7.240.69 (talk) 20:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Article rewrite
I reordered several parts of the article in order to give it a less stuck-together feel. Several facts were repeated during the course of the text; I've made an effort to reduce this repetition. Also, the information found in the "Trivia" section was removed (in the instances of "this song was found in...") or integrated into the article text. Three notes: æ² ✆ 2007&#x2011;07&#x2011;20t18:38z
 * One trivia bullet mentioned that "Billie Joe wrote this song in company of his son. The boy was playing drums, then Billie picked up an acoustic guitar and began writing the piece." I couldn't find anywhere to put this information (and it doesn't have a source), so I've left it out at the moment. Any suggestions for where to put this?
 * The mention of Katrina relief in "Reception" doesn't have a year for "this year".
 * Also in that section, the article currently states "['Boulevard of Broken Dreams'] became one of only two songs to ever reach #1 on the Mainstream Rock Tracks, Modern Rock Tracks, and Adult Top 40 charts." Does this mean "only one of two songs to reach #1 on the three charts simultaneously"?

NPOV Problem?
It keeps on saying how depressing it is. I quote... "...melancholy walk..." "...and other miserable sights." Anyone else see a NPOV problem? ~Lunakeet —Preceding undated comment added at 22:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

A Mere Coincidence?
Does anybody know if the title is related at all with Joaquín Sabina's 1994 song Por el Bulevar de los Sueños Rotos ("Through the Boulevard of Broken Dreams")? Music and lyrics are totally different, as Sabina's song is about the story of Chavela Vargas and Frida Kahlo, but isn't the title too uncommon to be a mere coincidence? I just left the comment so that it is explained in case somebody happens to know anything about it. --Purplefire (talk) 18:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Simple Plan
Has anyone else heard the garbage that is Simple Plan's "Your Love is a Lie"? Completely derivative of Blvd. I feel it deserves a mention in the article. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.197.249 (talk) 07:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nobody likes Simple Plan, so don't worry. (Momus (talk) 00:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC))

You're right, even though it's not garbage haha. I wouldn't know where to put it though. ~Zzguitar14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.69.53 (talk) 12:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Name
Is it true that the song was called "boulevard of broken dreams" instead of "I walk alone" so that listeners didnt confuse the song with the other green day song called "walking alone"? 76.235.235.106 (talk) 21:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2016
Add to section "Music video" somewhere in the first paragraph "The bird at 1:20 of the video is a King vulture.

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 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See WP:NOTTRIVIA. If the bird was the main feature of the entire video sure. Otherwise no. --Majora (talk) 11:30, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 September 2017
Change the RIAA ringtone certification for Boulevard of Broken Dreams from Gold to 2x Platinum Susyall (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The source provided does not support the requested change.  Sparkling Pessimist   Scream at me!  22:59, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see Long-term abuse/Nikita. This is one of many pages targeted by this vandal. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:40, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2017
add the Gold mastertone RIAA certification to the certifications 24.51.86.102 (talk) 01:49, 12 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done This is already in the article. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:20, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Critical reception
The critical reception section contains controversy instead of reception Enjoyer of World (talk) 09:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

MetroLyrics site shut down?
I am unable to find the lyrics on MetroLyrics. The website appears to be offline. How do I update the lyrics link to point to an archive of the MetroLyrics page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.237.190 (talk) 03:37, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I found the archived copy but I don't know if this is temporary or permanent. (CC)  Tb hotch ™ 03:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * According to MetroLyrics it went offline in June. This will most likely be handled in the next months with MetroLyrics being replaced with Genius (when possible). (CC) Tb hotch ™ 03:44, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

F in the chat
Yeah so guys 2A00:23C7:7580:A701:18CB:52A1:B726:C9B2 (talk) 15:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 28 May 2023
– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This article has by far the most page views in the last 30 days out of any other article named this, with 13,439: the film has 185, the TV series has 695, the Al Dubin song has 1,598, the album has 299, the Smokie song has 149 and the comics have 193. It is also by far the longest article with this title and also appears on Wikipedia's search as soon as one types "boul". Wasabi OS (talk) 23:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Boulevard of Broken Dreams (Green Day song) → Boulevard of Broken Dreams
 * Boulevard of Broken Dreams →
 * Support as per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Honestly, I was thinking about recommending this. LoTrWiki (talk) 19:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 31 May 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 17:57, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This article has by far the most page views in the last 30 days out of any other article named this, with 13,439: the film has 185, the TV series has 695, the Al Dubin song has 1,598, the album has 299, the Smokie song has 149 and the comics have 193. It is also by far the longest article with this title and also appears on Wikipedia's search as soon as one types "boul". Wasabi OS (talk) 17:40, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Boulevard of Broken Dreams (Green Day song) → Boulevard of Broken Dreams
 * Boulevard of Broken Dreams → Boulevard of Broken Dreams (disambiguation)
 * Support as per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Honestly, I was thinking about recommending this. LoTrWiki (talk) 19:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: This comment/vote was copied from Talk:Boulevard of Broken Dreams (Green Day song) (the section above this one). I'm not sure how this section was opened up as an official move request and the section above was not, but in effect, there was a need to move that comment here for consistency. (Ping LoTrWiki to let them know of this.) Steel1943  (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I added the above section without understanding the process of nominating something to be moved. I looked into the process and created this section. Apologies for the inconvenience. Wasabi OS (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support as clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The 30-day pageviews cited in the nomination are part of a |Boulevard_of_Broken_Dreams_(Al_Dubin_song)|Boulevard_of_Broken_Dreams_(film)|Boulevard_of_Broken_Dreams_(album)|Boulevard_of_Broken_Dreams_(TV_series)|Boulevard_of_Broken_Dreams_(Smokie_song)|The_Boulevard_of_Broken_Dreams_(comics) lasting pattern of the Green Day song achieving dramatically more pageviews than all other topics combined. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Expanding on my !vote to address the question of long-term significance. While there's no question that the Al Dubin song has also enjoyed lasting popularity in its own right, the Green Day song is a Grammy Award-winning single that was also one of the top ten highest selling singles in its entire decade. Thus, I think there's a strong case that the Green Day song's long-term significance is (at least) comparable to that of the Al Dubin song, and therefore the pageview lead should be determinative. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:20, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I fixed the malformed move request to also include where the disambiguation page would move to. Steel1943  (talk) 20:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose: My standard rule of thumb is that a primary topic needs more that 10x the sum of all other articles' page views combined ... and the Green Day song, as shown by the nominator, does not meet that mark. Steel1943  (talk) 20:26, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That rule of thumb is completely out of step with the actual guidance on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The guideline states that a primary topic (w/r/t usage) should be much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined. Which is to say: when comparing to the combination of all other titles, the primary topic should simply be more likely by a margin of any size, and there's no need for it to reach any arbitrary threshold beyond that. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Out of step? Not really. The "10x the sum of all other articles' page views" claim has been used in various other discussions in my 10+ years editing Wikipedia that it just makes sense (in the cases where page views are used as the rationale for claiming a primary topic.) There needs to be some sort of undeniable proof that the primary topic is indeed what readers are looking for in almost every instance. (Notice I did not say "a majority of the time" ... since "almost every instance" has a higher threshold.) For that reason, "> 10x page views" has been the bare minimum discussed in the past ... repeatedly ... to make such a claim to a point where it just makes sense as a baseline. Steel1943  (talk) 14:50, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Steel1943. There are 15 bulleted entries listed upon the Boulevard of Broken Dreams disambiguation page, with no indication that one song has such overwhelming renown that it dwarfs the combined prominence of the remaining 14 entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * How much of that is bad editing? This song was pretty much everywhere for a long time 74.64.106.195 (talk) 03:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * "Was" is the key word there. WP:RECENTISM. Steel1943  (talk) 03:48, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Never heard of Green Day, but they seem like a modern pop band, and smacks of recentism.  The Dubin song is a very popular standard, recorded by many artists over the last century, and quite well-known.  Seems to me to have longer-term significance. Walrasiad (talk) 02:40, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Green Day’s song won a Grammy Award for best record, is typically the first thing that pops into most people’s mind if you ask them about either Green Day or Boulevard of Broken Dreams, is the band’s signature song, is all of the top hits on Google, and I didn’t even know the Dubin song existed until I saw the moving alert. I think it’s clear what’s more well-known and has more long-term significance, and it’s this song. 74.64.106.195 (talk) 03:41, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * For a certain age group perhaps. But never heard of it and doubt it very much. Dubin song has been recorded, re-recorded, and re-recorded, every few years by new generations of artists.  Pretty common standard in live music repertoire. We'll see in a hundred years if this one has the same longevity. Walrasiad (talk) 04:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Boulevard_of_Broken_Dreams indicates that the proposed primary topic isn't even entry #1 on the list of things people go to from here, so I think you should limit the change to a reordering of the list. If that change then verifies that there is a significant change in navigation outcomes after a few months, then this kind of a change can be reconsidered. --Joy (talk) 19:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose I see no primary topic by pageviews or longterm significance. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)