Talk:Bound for Glory (2005)

Timing
As I did first with TNA Slammiversary 2005, I took the time to go through the DVD and get accurate timings for all match decisions, using the DVD player's timer (I use Cyberlink PowerDVD 7.0). The following is a running diagram. The preshow match is based on the timing for the Preshow feature title. The others are based on the timing for the DVD's main title. Matches are timed from the opening bell to the final bell. Multiple-fall matches have mid-term falls counted at the strike of three.

ALL ON ONE DVD TITLE

0:03.02 X-Division 4-way: Shelley vs. Strong vs. Aries vs. Dutt 0:15.35 Sonjay Dutt wins (pinning Roderick Strong, Dragon Rana, 12.33)

0:34.58 Samoa Joe vs. Jushin Thunder Liger 0:42.15 Samoa Joe wins (submission, Coquina Clutch, 7.17)

0:47.10 Six-Man Tag: The Diamonds in the Rough vs. Apolo, Sonny Siaki and Shark Boy 0:54.17 The Diamonds in the Rough win (David Young pinning Sonny Siaki, Spinebuster, 7.07)

1:02.32 Lance Hoyt vs. "The Alpha Male" Monty Brown 1:09.05 Monty Brown wins (pinfall, Pounce, 6.33)

1:14.33 Six-Man Tag: Team Canada (A-1, Bobby Roode and Eric Young) vs. 3Live Kru 1:20.33 Team Canada wins (Eric Young pinning B.G. James, hockey stick shot, 6.00)

1:26.34 Ultimate X8: Petey Williams vs. Matt Bentley vs. Chris Sabin 1:40.12 Petey Williams wins (13.38)

1:45.44 NWA Tag Titles: AMW (Harris and Storm) (c) vs. The Naturals (Stevens and Douglas) 1:56.23 AMW wins (Harris pinning Stevens, Death Sentence, 10.39)

2:04.58 Monster's Ball: Rhino vs. Abyss vs. Sabu vs. Jeff Hardy 2:16.45 Rhino wins (pinning Jeff Hardy, Super Rhino Driver, 11.47)

2:23.06 Iron Man for the X Title: Christopher Daniels vs. A.J. Styles (c) 2:53.04 A.J. Styles pins (Styles Clash, 29.58)

2:58.37 Ten-Man Gauntlet for the Gold 3:12.57 Rhino wins (14.20)

3:15.44 Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (w/Gail Kim) (c) (Tito Ortiz, special guest referee) (no opening bell, Jarrett's attack began at time given) 3:21.28 Rhino wins (pinfall, gore, 6.44)

Requested moves

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

restore previous page titles. As noted, the parent article uses the prefix, and there are many articles called "Bound for Glory" with which to disambiguate; the prefix aids in this as much as the parenthetical does. There isn't consensus for the removal of the prefix, so I have restored the stable page names. Dekimasu よ! 14:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk:Bound for Glory (2005) -- Settling argument whether to add the "TNA" prefix into the name, or to not add it. "Support" will add the TNA prefix onto the articles. "Oppose" will keep it as it is right now. --MITB LS (t·c) 15:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Bound for Glory (2005) → TNA Bound for Glory (2005)
 * Bound for Glory (2006) → TNA Bound for Glory (2006)
 * Bound for Glory (2007) → TNA Bound for Glory (2007)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Oppose - Company initials should only be in the article title to avoid conflicts. The current setup accomplishes that. Mshake3 23:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Support For now I will ignore that the PPV articles had the initials and someone unilaterly moved them (which is reason enough to move it back). The parent article uses the initials (TNA Bound for Glory), the other TNA articles use the initials, TNA always says "TNA Bound for Glory". TJ Spyke 23:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - SummerSlam. Mshake3 03:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * For one, it's been agreed to not use the WWE initials for the Big 4 (RR, WM, both SS's) wheras it was agreed to use the TNA initials for TNA PPV's (but one user decided to move these without discussion). Second, TNA always says "TNA Bound for Glory" and not "Bound for Glory". TJ Spyke 23:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it's time for a new vote, and here we are. Mshake3 23:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There are times when TNA simply says "(without prefix) Bound for Glory". WWE even says like "WWE presents SummerSlam (or whatever). MITB LS (t·c) 20:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - By the way, about TJ Spyke's comment: it may apply to the TNA Lockdown pages too. I wouldn't go to that until these pages are resolved of. MITB LS (t·c) 23:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

About the Requested Moves issue
I think that this is the right decision. I support that the WWE Big Four PPV's were without the WWE prefix, and the other WWE PPV's have the WWE/F prefix. Also, I support putting the initial of the promotions as a prefix before the name of a PPV or event. Not only TNA, or ROH, or any promotion in the world. The move made with the TNA Lockdown and TNA Bound for Glory were totally arbitrary. The best decision was made in this issue. Xbox6 00:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * How about a reason WHY you support the big 4 not having a prefix? No one has given a reason for that yet. Mshake3 01:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no disambig for WrestleMania, SummerSlam, Survivor Series, or Royal Rumble. That's why there's no prefix for it. As for the three mayor TNA pay-per-views, well... first of all, there's no disambig for Slammiversary, so you don't have to worry about that. For BFG, there are many terms "Bound for Glory" to disambiguate. For a new person looking at Wikipedia, they might be confused with the term "Bound for Glory (2007)" alone; they might take it as something related to the band, the book, or the film (possibly a film remake (released in 2007, not that there's going to be one), in which it would be redirected from "Bound for Glory (2007)" or something). "TNA" as the prefix will set set up the basis of the article (see WWE New Year's Revolution; there no disambig for it, but there's a WWE prefix in it anyways). Same reason for Lockdown (although there's not really a disambig for it, the status remains the same). Anyways, now that the issues done, can you stop beating the dead horse? MI   TB   LS  02:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your opinion. But I wasn't asking for it. Xbox6 appears to say that ALL PPV articles, save for WWEs major events, should have it. I want that opinion on those comments. Mshake3 02:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Might I add that film remakes generally use a "(year) film" text at the end of the article title. Mshake3 02:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but think about the redirects. See Dawn of the Dead (2004), which redirects to Dawn of the Dead (2004 film). Anyway, this issue is done. END OF STORY. MI   TB   LS  03:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Easy there buddy. Wouldn't want you to blow a gasket or whatever. I'd still like a clarificaration on Xbox's comments. Because he doesn't agree with the current setup for Slammiversary. Besides, taking about a dead horse, didn't you make the formal move request? And it's not like this thing got many votes. It closed due to No Consus, and I wanted a clarification on an opinion. Now if that's beating a dead horse, well then we've all killed many over the years. Peace! Mshake3 15:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay. First of all, I do agree with you that Xbox shouldn't have moved it. That's a given, as there's no disambig for the term "Slammiversary". As for my nomination, I had to do so to try to reach a consensus (I was neutral). If you don't feel that it wasn't fair, you can put in another request to move the page (and reach a clear consensus). MI   TB   LS  15:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * ...at least try to. MI   TB   LS  02:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why? Mshake3 03:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want to change it back to the old, file another request to move the pages (see WP:RM). You can set it up and try to each a clear consensus. MI   TB   LS  15:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I'm find with the current setup, as long as Slammiversary stays as is. Mshake3 15:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Then ALRIGHT! MI   TB   LS  00:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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