Talk:Bowden (surname)

The "... notable American football coaching family"
It's simply unconscionable that the cluster
 * A notable American football coaching family:
 * Bobby Bowden (born 1929), retired coach of several college programs, most notably Florida State University
 * Tommy Bowden (born 1954), son of Bobby; former coach at several programs, most recently Clemson University
 * Terry Bowden (born 1956), son of Bobby; motivational speaker, college football analyst and current University of Akron coach
 * Jeff Bowden (born c. 1961), son of Bobby; assistant at several programs, currently at Akron under Terry

has been permitted to survive on Bowden (surname) as a (by the way, chronological) sub-list amid the alpha-by-given name entries that dominate the list, without even duplicate entries that would fall in their "own" place in the overall alphabetical listing. Lemme be clearer: i'm an asshole of the kind who considers him/herself to be an expert on everything (or rather, one who strives to consciously exploit whatever scraps of insight one has into how to cope more as experts do, in a field where oneself is no expert). So, i hereby highly resolve to be less of an annoying asshole and a little more of an expert, by studying more seriously how to set up list articles that exploit the capability we have of implementing lists as tables that the user can easily view in the order that best suits their own task of searching that list. The same table can list things (especially people, i think) in several ways including by and perhaps my favorite,
 * first name
 * last name
 * DoB
 * DoD
 * by DoD if they're already dead, and (following them, the ones who are going to die later ... (except for the cases where we've so far missed someone's death)
 * by DoB it they're not known to be dead (which amounts to ordering them according to a rough guess of how long it's likely to be before they die).

--Jerzy•t 14:55, 13 November 2017 (UTC)