Talk:Bowl (smoking)

Clean Up This Article
Granted, it's an article on stoner culture, but fucking hell... Total crap, even for Wikipedia. 68.181.217.162 23:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The page needed a SERIOUS expansion and re-vamping.. Added the "under construction" because I had to get some sleep. I will continue upon waking and will be adding sources etc.. Sections not revamped or expanded were left As Is so the page was not incomplete.--DrugGeek (talk) 10:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Against "bowl"
An article titled "bowl"is biased from the gitgo-- toward overdose. (Consider the Russian word болшой-- it means BIG.) Readers attracted by the "slang" word bowl should be reminded that the bigger the "bowl", the hotter the herb will burn, destroying THC and endangering user's health.

Crater
If you refer to the bizness opening of your smoking utensil as a crater instead of a bowl, there's a chance you are using one with a narrow diameter (and achieving LSMFT = Life Saving Minimum Firing Temperature).

Overdose illustrations
Of the objects pictured in this article in 2008, only one had a small enough diameter to burn high quality herb at a low temperature. (All the stems are too short; article should include a mention that a long flexible tube can be attached such as those found on hookahs.)

With such illustrations this article has, at best, served as advertising for the hot-burning-overdose head-shop industry, which rides on the coattails of the hot-burning-overdose cigarette industry (the Big 2Wackgo profit margin is based on selling the most possible product by promoting overdose smoking on a fake premise that it is normal smoking).

Typewriter-compliant diagram: crater-head of proposed single toke Semivaporizer utensil, or long-stemmed One-hitter, shown here as made from a 1/4" socketpiece
(4 x enlarged)

1/4"(6 mm)                                   interior diameter                                     of hex opening                                       <-->                               ______              ______                          ^   /      \            /      \       3/16"(5 mm)        |   |      |x          x|      |    ^ crater depth       |   |      |x          x|      |    |   xxxxx = preshaped screen (to base of screen)   |   |      |x          x|      |    |   (securely nested on                          v   |      |\xxxxxxxxxx/|      |    v   shoulder formed by    short metal tube or       |      ||          ||      |        crater narrowing) curled screening etc. --->|         ||      | to support screen at     |      ||          ||      | 3/16"(5-mm.) depth       |       \          /       |    ^                                 |       |          |       |    |   narrow midchannel                               |       |          |       |    |   of socketpiece                              |      /__        __\      |    v                                 |      |  |      |  |      |                              |      |  |      |  |      |                              |      |  |      |  |      |    ^                              |      |  |      |  |      |    |        1/4"(6-mm.) o.d.   ---> |      |  |      |    | flexible drawtube        |      |  |      |  |      |    | 23"(61-cm.) pressed in   |      |  |      |  |      |    |   optional: tape over          square (driver) end       \______|  |      |  |______/    |   this area to elim-            |                            |  |      |  |           |   inate air leak           |                            |  |      |  |           |            |                            |  |      |  |           |        |                            |  |      |  |           |        v                            |  |      |  |           v

The easiest way to make this conservative utensil is with a 1/4"=6-mm. (inner diameter) socket wrench piece. Position a 1/40"=.6-mm. mesh metal screen about 3/16" down into the hex end, supported if necessary by a 1/4"-o.d. metal ring at correct depth. All the way into the square (driver) end of the socket wrench thrust a long 1/4" o.d. flexible drawtube. Wrap the resulting joint with duct tape to eliminate air leakage.  Wirebraid onto the utensil a 2"=5-mm. safety pin to be always handy for clearing screen passageways before each 25-mg. serving. Keep an inexpensive kit containing q-tips, prickly pipecleaners and a small bottle of rubbing alcohol handy for cleanouts.Tokerdesigner (talk) 22:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you kidding me?? There is no such thing as a marijuana overdose from smoking. Not within the realm of probability, anyhow.


 * "A 160-pound (73 Kilogram) person would require 9,125 mg of THC to receive a fatal overdose" "Understanding Marijuana- A New Look At The Scientific Evidence" Mitch Earleywine; Page 144, Second sentence.


 * **** "Marijuana is so safe that it would be almost impossible to overdose on it. Doctors determine how safe a drug is by measuring how much it takes to kill a person (they call this the LD50) and comparing it to the amount of the drug which is usually taken (ED50). This makes marijuana hundreds of times safer than alcohol, tobacco, or caffiene. According to a DEA Judge ``marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to mankind.''Erowid.org - http://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq1.shtml#3-4"


 * The bigger bowl does NOT mean a hotter burn. It simply means more marijuana per bowl. The diameter of the opening at the BOTTOM of the bowl through which air is drawn by the smoker would determine the airflow. Also, the only thing remotely related to ANY smoking with "LSMFT", is "Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco/Taste" which was a 50s/60s cigarette ad campaign.

You OBVIOUSLY know nothing about marijuana. Please comment elsewhere. DruggeekShaun--98.18.15.180 (talk) 01:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

You cannot overdose on marijuana. It's debatable whether or not falling asleep from smoking a lot of weed or zoning out for a long time is considered an overdose, but there is no amount of marijuana that can kill or hurt you. THC cannot hurt you and smoking a single bowl isn't a lot. 24.23.4.94 (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

H.B.O.
Sorry-- I didn't mean to imply riefer was to blame for the overdose problem-- "It's the equipment, stupid!" In fact, bronchitis and other noticeable issues resulting from H.B.O. (hot-burning overdose) are conveniently blamed on the cannabis so that legislators bribed by the 2Wackgo industry (those huge cigarette "tax" revenues) have an excuse to pass anti-cannabis laws. If Wikipedia editors get a handle on this, the safer herb will be legalized and millions of cigarette-related deaths per year prevented. (Wikimedia wants to "change the world"-- 2008 fundraising slogan.)

LSMFT
See Wiktionary: Protologisms/ List of Protologisms by Topic/Medicotechnological (smoking) terms.

Help find burning-temperature research references
To resolve the debate over whether a wide bowl means hotter burning, what's needed are laboratory studies comparing the burning temperature of herb(s) in a 1/4" = 6 mm.-i.d. crater with other diameters, 3/8", 1/2", "nickel" and "quarter" and so forth, and with the hot-burning "joint" and "blunt" of various diameters (fatter ones burn hotter). The difference is restricting how fast oxygen gets to the fire-- doubling utensil crater diameter at the top quadruples oxygen access.  A commercial cigaret is designed to burn at up to 700° C when victim is sucking on it--  just 7 inches from your trachea.  But until now any medical research institution that tried to publish this simnple burning temperature research (which could actually promote safe cannabis use) would have risked losing their funding, accreditation etc. because of the monstrous financial/political power the tobacco industry has over governments and educational institutions.


 * For centuries, leading up to and including the modern 700-mg. $igarette, Big 2WackGo has been pushing overdose just to rake in more profits. Result: 5.4 million deaths/year worldwide (WHO, Feb. 7, 2008).  "Head-shops" pushing wide-bowl, suicide-gesture overdose-bravado smoking equipment are really pushing a tobacco culture masquerading as a "cannabis culture" and helping recruit youngsters into nicotine addiction (particularly in some places, including Europe, where beginners are showed how to mix cannabis and tobacco in the same fat joint or fat "bowl").
 * Watch what happens to the indu$try profit margin when tobacco addicts start imitating enlightened cannabis-user example (learned on Wikipedia?) and switch from hot-burning overdose to using a quarter-inch (6-mm.) i.d. screened "one-hitter" (25-mg. serving size instead of 700).Tokerdesigner (talk) 00:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I just want to add, there is NO WAY IN HELL that the tobacco industry supports cannabis use other than the companies that produce Swisher Sweets and Dutch Masters. Cigarette and alcohol companies know that having a wide variety of intoxicants available, many of which are far more healthy than their products, means a decline in sales. Personally, I prefer the taste of cannabis smoke to tobacco smoke any day.--Kickflipthecat (talk) 19:18, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was not moved. The current article and its subdivisions are clearly referring to the word "bowl". For this article to be retitled/moved, it would need to be seriously refactored. The current situation lends itself more towards a merger of the material elsewhere, which needs no administrative assistance. Aervanath (talk) 06:05, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Bowl (smoking) → Marijuana pipe — Relisted. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

- ["bowl" is just one of many nick names for a marijuana pipe. technically the bowl is just the part of the smoking device that the weed or tobacco is packed in, its such a small thing i dont think it needs an article. i need some help, as there is already an article for Marijuana pipe that simply redirects to the article for Marijuana smoking, which has a link to the Bowl (smoking) article! WTF!? . i have no clue on how to fix this.] -- Yonskii (talk) 19:40, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * My vote is to move it to Bowl (pipe) as the bowl is part of a pipe used for smoking. Bowl (disambiguation) should cover the diverse meanings and uses of the word, including the slang name for a pipe. Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 22:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * At 05:46, 20 October 2009 User:Yonskii changed article Bowl (smoking) into a short article about the bowl part of any smoking pipe, but left the cannabis-related images in, and it is still like that. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Support merger. A8UDI talk  02:15, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Support merger. Please take note of discussion issues (above).Tokerdesigner (talk) 16:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I came here to close this discussion, but it is very unclear what people are supporting. Which articles are to be merged, and to which title? Skomorokh,  barbarian  18:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It appears that what they have done is combine the bowl of a pipe with a marijuana pipe into one article which they would like to have renamed as Bowl (pipe). I am unable actually to find any dictionary that uses bowl as meaning a marijuana pipe, so it may be an urban slang term. I would strongly recommend adding a photo of a normal pipe instead of multiple photos of marijuana pipes. I also note one of the urban dictionary definitions has this advice: "The pipe itself is NOT called a bowl. That is a common mistake; stop making it." 199.125.109.99 (talk) 19:53, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I think you're going in the wrong direction. What you want is a merge, not a move. A move would delete everything that is already on the Pipe page -- The Talking Sock talk contribs 16:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Calling a pipe a "bowl"
In my experience, the amount of people who refer to a pipe as a "bowl" is insignificant to the amount who just refer to it as a pipe or piece. Most people Ive ever come around know a "bowl" as the part of the pipe/ bong that you put the weed into. I dont think the use of "bowl" in reference to an entire pipe is common and/or notable to have its own section in this article. A mention that some may call it a "bowl" would be appropriate, but not half the article.Yonskii (talk) 02:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)