Talk:Bowls/Archive 1

Bowls or Balls
What are the round things called ? Bowls or balls ? Because I can see both terms used inter-changeably in the article.

Also, is the term always used in plural ? I'm just seeing if I can add this article link in the disambig page Bowl. Currently its in the "See also" list. Jay 10:17, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * The white ball is the only object referred to as a ball. All references to the larger (generally black object) should be bowl (singular) or bowls (plural).  The article also refers to scoring 'points' this makes it easier to understand but (in Australia at least) is not used.  A score is said to be 23 to 20, a player may be on 15, or their may be a margin of +5 etc but not points 203.9.186.134 00:43, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)Derek


 * Thanks, I've made minor changes in the article to emphasize singular and plural usage. Jay 15:43, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * The proper Bowls term for points is shots. --OntarioQuizzer 05:45, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Another term for bowls is "woods" because they were originally made of the hard wood. Lignum Vitae.

21up
The best Crown Green Bowling site on the web  http://www.21up.co.uk

English Spellings
Colour or Color

Labourer or Laborer

Centre or Center

In my opinion it should be Color, Laborer, and Center. Discuss.
 * The game is most popular in English speaking countries. What do you have against the letter 'u' anyway?

I think either spelling is clear, but we should unify with other pages, and within the article it self. I have checked about 10 other pages, and most common spellings are: Color, Laborer, and Center. I think we should use these spellings.

gilmiciak


 * These issues are ALWAYS handled on a page by page basis, per WP:Engvar. There is need fo consistency within an article, but not between articles. Since bowls is predominantly played in commonwealth countries, commonwealth English makes the most sense to me. Failing that we should go with the first contributors preference but that doesn't seem necessary in this case Nil Einne (talk) 09:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Featured Article
I want to make this article a featured article, but am not sure how to go about doing it. Any advice would be great.

gilmiciak

No. This article shouldn't be featured because its description of the ball is vague. I don't understand what the ball looks like or how it is assymetric. Why is it assymetric? What effect does this have on playing the game? Is this like loaded dice in a craps game? --Zeamays (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone is saying the article should be featured in its current format. Clearly it needs a lot of work.  I will add some photos of bowls to the article today. The bowls are asymmetrical in that one side of the bowl is bigger than the other.  Therefore as the bowl rolls down the green, one side is moving slightly quicker than the other and so the bowl curves. -- Mattinbgn\talk 21:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

List of National Associations
It would be nice to have a list of links to national bowling associations all over the world. Any objections to me starting such a list?

Varange2 (talk) 20:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Crown Green Bowls
I don't believe what this article says about the Crown game, at least as played in North West England and North Wales. Specifically, the green has to have a raised crown, and I think there are constraints on how high; you don't get a free choice of where to send the jack -- an end has to be played far enough from a side of the green that the crown matters; and the woods that enter the ditch are no longer counted. Does anyone have access to rules of Crown? Dan Dean (talk) 06:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

This article needs much more discussion of Crown Green Bowls - or a separate article is needed. It currently reads as an article on Flat Green Bowls with a few incomplete comments on Crown Green added as an afterthought. I'm not very familiar with either game, but facts like - the Crown Green Jack is not white, is much larger than the Flat Green jack (looks like a mini-wood)and is biased like a wood - should be included. Any Crown Green players out there? 122.107.58.27 (talk) 23:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand Indoor Bowls
Has anyone thought of making a sub article about New Zealand Indoor Bowls?


 * That isn't a notable subject. It would be speedily deleted, I would imagine. - Dudesleeper / Talk  18:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Why when NZIB is a unique game and is played by tens of thousands of people would it not be a notable subject?Nzcit (talk) 06:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What Dudesleeper means is that he does not feel the article would meet the criteria set at Wikipedia's notability guideline. I actually disagree with him here and feel that, provided reliable, independent sources can be found, an article on the sport would be a valuable addition to the encyclopedia, as a good example of a regional sport like Trugo and Vigoro. I would be very disappointed if such an article was speedy deleted as I cannot see what criteria would apply. Without quality sources it may struggle to survive at Articles for deletion. Why not be bold and give writing the article a go? -- Mattinbgn\talk 07:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Will do as soon as I can =]Nzcit (talk) 07:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I have started on my article, anyone who can help please do its under New Zealand Indoor bowls,thanksNzcit (talk) 05:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Glossary, was hidden in article
The following was commented out in the article, making it "difficult" to work on, so I cut it and pasted it here:

This section is entirely unsourced and there is no way to distinguish between genuine jargon and trivia until such time as it is sourced

==Glossary==

This section Lawn bowlers use a variety of terms to describe certain aspects of play. Most of these terms are recognised by lawn bowlers in countries where the game is played.

The Absolute: A draw shot which finishes close to the jack and then rolls over to touch it. It is also used to describe a bowl which undoubtedly the closest to the jack, also know as "a Resting Toucher".

The Bedford: To bowl less than impressively all match, only to win the match with the perfect bowl on the final end.

The Kristina Jug: A shot that is thrown from a height (usually accidently or under the influence of alcohol) which ditches into the green, forming a crater and causing severe damage.

The Fire: A harder & faster shot used to knock the oppositions bowls out of the head or shift the head, also known as a "Drive"

Narrow: Describes a bowl that is aimed too close to the jack so that it crosses the centre of the rink a rolls away from the jack.

Wide: Describes a bowl that is aimed too far away from the jack so that it cannot come back to the centre of the rink.

Yard on: Describes a bowl that is delivered so as to finish 3 to 6 feet past the jack. The purpose of this shot is push a bowl away from the jack and take its place, or to move the jack a short distance. The idea is that if the bowl misses its target, it will finish close enough to the jack to be potentially useful.

A Toucher: A Bowl, that in it's normal course of delivery, has come in contact with the jack.

Weight: a term used to describe the amount of power the bowl is delivered by. Therefore, "Ditch Weight" refers to delivering a bowl with enough power to reach the ditch.

Wick: a term used to describe when the delivered bowl in its normal course of delivery contacts another legal bowl on that rink and skims off favourably.

Daylight Has the Shot: a response to "who has the shot?" when there is no bowls within considerable distance from the jack.

Short as Mickey Rooney: an extremely short bowl.

Fast Green: a green that is hard and dry. Less weight has to be applied to the bowl in order for it to travel the green.

Slow Green: a green that may be long-grassed or damp. Required more weight than usual to be applied to the bowl.

A Maximum or A Handful: Obtaining the highest score for a single end.

End of pasted section. Huw Powell (talk) 19:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Ireland or Northern Ireland
Is there not confusion about whether some people referred to are representing Ireland (as in Republic of Ireland) or Northern Ireland?81.155.36.247 (talk) 15:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)