Talk:Bowser/Archive 2

Koopa connection
It's important to note that the "Koopa Troopas" are NOT called koopa in Japan, ergo any implied connection from the POV of the original creators is surely incorrect. Particularly this idea that Koopa's refined appearance was based on the nokonoko turtles. Also, this bit about "he's definitely a turtle, not a dragon" just because someone at IGN says so, is not a reliable source. There's a real extinct turtle that has dragonish spikes all over it, along with a mythological "Dragon-turtle" well-established in Asia, and it's just pointless to say precisely what kind of animal he is, besides.. a koopa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 22:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Bowser's wife / family introduction
I think "Clawdia" was a joke from the Nintendo Official Magazine which an editor has taken too literaly. I'll remove it, since it does not appear to be canon. Jefffire 11:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not is a joke is unknown. I think it's worth keeping for now...

he has married peach now, but i think they divorce...

They didn't divorce. Peach doesn't recognize it as a true wedding, anyway. 208.101.130.232 12:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Mario and Peach are a couple, like Daisy and Luigi are. ;-) It's a terrible imagination, that Bowser and Peach are married... >.< --82.207.191.77 19:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually they are forced to marry in Super Paper Mario —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.216.173.41 (talk) 20:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC) Yes, they were married in SPM. But it's Super PAPER Mario, not Super Mario. Personally, I think the "Paper Mario-World" is a seperate dimension from the usual Mushroom Kingdom. So, Paper Bowser may be married to Paper Peach...? However, Bowser has children. (Koopalings and Bowser Jr.) So, who's the mother? Could it be Peach? Bowser Jr. do always refer to her as "Mama Peach". But I'm not sure. Of course, it's terrible if Bowser & Peach really are married. So what do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.94.55 (talk) 16:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * In Super Mario Sunshine Bowser Jr. did constantly call Peach "Mama Peach", yes, but after you beat Bowser, in the ending, Bowser admits to Bowser Jr. that Peach is not his real mama. m190049 (talk) 18:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Mario and Peach married each other at the end of Super Mario 64. Therefore, Bowser Couldn't marrie her. Saprissy (talk) 13:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Eating cake isn't the same as getting married.129.139.1.68 (talk) 20:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I noticed weird things among editions and several undid reverions. if there won't be other further discussion about this section, it would be recovered and maintain. --Doracake (talk) 01:13, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Categorical relevance
I noticed that the article was put back in "Fictional immortals," yet I've never found anything that supports that other than his resilience (and while my research has been extensive, I've played very few of the games). Please share insight if you have any. Thank you for your time.--Sonicpatriot (talk) 18:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed it. While it is true that he survied many things that logically should have killed him (falling into lave etc) as far as I know none of the games or reliable sources have ever called him immortal.--76.69.167.87 (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Bowsers stars make him power full so if you met him you could take the stars! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Power Bowser (talk • contribs) 14:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Speaking of categorical relevance, Bowser keeps getting added to Category:fictional dragons. He's a Koopa, roughly analogous to turtle. Not a dragon. (People seem to think Fire ability = dragon or something, I've no clue.) In any case, I've removed the category (again). Ncboy2010 (talk) 12:05, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

"Heroic"

 * Despite his often selfish personality Bowser has occasionally shown a softer or even more heroic side. Such as in the end of the subspace emissonary in Super Smash Bros. Brawl in which he helps the heroes kill Taabu after seeing the villain kill a character for unjust reasons.

Can this really be counted? I don't think Smash Bros. can be considered canonical for any game, can it? 90.195.179.150 (talk) 15:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * well, he IS a hero in SPM because he's a playable character after (problably) 2-1 (i beat the game a looooong time ago) and it was count bleck who kidnapped peach, not bowser! (bleck also kidnapped bowser!) Valehd (talk) 17:51, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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Voice Over Portrayal
How is it that Wikipedia keeps taking out the section on Isaac Marshall every time I try to put it back in!? I have cited my sources! They are legitimate! The man was, at least for a time, legitimately the voice of Bowser, and I have PROOF that he was! Stop calling those "roars, snarls, and laughs" stock sound effects! They are the voice of a REAL PERSON!!! STOP TRYING TO DELETE IT, WIKIPEDIA!!! Don't believe me? Use Google for crying out loud!

Also, it's spelled: "Dinohattan" with two A's, not "Dinohatten." Stop trying to correct me there, too. Just accept my edits already, will you!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 20:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Those are stock sound effects, not voice acting, also GiantBomb is not a reliable source as anyone can edit it and it does not cite it at all. Also, Bowser's voice was the same in the Japanese version of Mario Kart 64, when Isaac had no participation or credit in that regional version.  --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 21:06, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Then why is Isaac Marshall featured in hundreds of Mario reference cites? Prove to me that they are stock sound effects! And cite your sources!
 * It is not Isaac's voice, I already did prove it to you, they are also used in SM64 and Isaac wasn't even apart of that game nor was he credited in either version, nothing official says he did them. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 21:13, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

You have again failed to cite your sources. This is getting to be ridiculous. If you really think he wasn't Bowser, why don't you go ask him yourself?
 * And you have failed to site *Reliable* sources, wait a sec and I'll prove it. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 21:16, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

As if non-traditional sources are worse than no sources at all! Ridiculous.

You know what? Screw this. I'm gonna find the guy and ask him myself. It's the best way.

Also, you misspelled "cite." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 21:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * So what, nobody's perfect, you obviously have a bad attitude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4NpBtAu79g, Isaac did not do the roars, if he did, he would have been credited in the game I just linked.  --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 21:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Like I'd trust a YouTube video any more than you would trust GiantBomb. Just because a voice actor isn't in the credits doesn't mean he's not there. Some voice actors go uncredited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 21:25, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, since YouTube videos are now apparently legitimate sources, watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehku1mQRwyQ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 21:27, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Mine was reliable because it was the ACTUAL ending of the game where as yours is nothing but a video of some random guy. Also, that wasn't Bowser Isaac's picture was sided on, it was Toad's.  --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Then you failed to recognize the point I was emphasizing: YouTube videos are not the MOST reliable source out there.

Laugh at me all you want. Can stock sound effects do THIS? http://themushroomkingdom.net/sounds/wav/mk64/mk64_bowser02.wav http://themushroomkingdom.net/sounds/wav/mk64/mk64_bowser03.wav — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 21:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

And who changed it back to "Dinohatten" again!? IT'S DINOHATTAN, NOT DINOHATTEN!!!

And Bowser and Baby Bowser were NOT the major antagonists of Partners in Time; those were the Shroobs. Do the people at this site know NOTHING about video games!?

And it's not "cg appearances." It's "game appearances." Or "CGI appearances" at the very least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 23:06, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * "Face Palm" you copied and pasted a comment from BTVA, yes stock sound effects can do that, there's a thing called *Sound Editing* you know, which I'm actually skilled at and know a lot about. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 21:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, of course you are.

(Sigh) Forget it. Wikipedia has never been regarded by most academics as a reliable source for information anyway. Why should I fight with people who are never 100% accurate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 21:43, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I have provided enough logic for you, whether you like it or not, that's on you. The fact is, Super Mario 64 was released *before* Mario Kart 64 and Isaac Marshall started his voicing debut on Mario Kart 64, when Bowser's Mario Kart 64 samples are from Super Mario 64, a game Isaac had nothing to do with. Also, Mario Party 1, Super Mario Sunshine, and Luigi's Mansion uses those Bowser Roars, and again, no credit of Isaac Marshall at all. If Bowser's voice samples from Super Mario 64 where used in Mario Party 1, Super Mario Sunshine, and Luigi's Mansion with no mention of Isaac Marshall in either three, then it's three strikes and your out, it's common sense, Nintendo would not make the same mistake thrice. Also, the link you provided also said he was in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour and Mario Superstar Baseball, two games he also had nothing to do with at all, since Scott Burns voiced Bowser in both of those games and Kazumi Totaka voiced Birdo in both of those games too. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 02:06, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

You know that saying I want to give up doesn’t mean I want you to reply, right? You just won’t give up until you have the final word, will you?

All right, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: just because a person is not in some stupid credits does not mean he wasn’t there.

Look at NSMB, for example: the only voice actor mentioned in the end credits is Charles Martinet, but clearly, voice clips from Jen Taylor and Delores Rogers were also used for Peach and Bowser Jr., respectively. And they aren’t credited because they didn’t record any new voice clips, just as Isaac Marshall goes uncredited because he did not record any new Bowser roars past his originals. Had he done so, he would have his name in the credits of all those games. Bombarding me with a gazillion game titles where those Godzilla-like roars are heard isn’t going to prove your point there.

In addition, your bragging to me about being a sound editor does not cover the fact that you spelled “you’re” incorrectly.

Not to mention that this article does not deserve to be locked because it is chock full of spelling, grammar, and formatting mistakes: 1. It’s “Dinohattan,” not “Dinohatten.”  Don’t tell me you spell Manhattan as “Manhatten,” too! 2. Bowser does not have regular “cg” appearances. He has regular “CGI” appearances. Actually, a more accurate term would be “video game” appearances. Either way, the lower-case version of “cg” is not an actual word. Nor is it linked to any article about CGI, which is contrary to Wikipedia’s very basic nature of linked words every three words. 3. There are three different paragraphs, some of which are wildly redundant, about Bowser in the live action movie. Why not combine them into one and eliminate any redundancies? 4. Bowser and Baby Bowser were not the major antagonists of M&L: Partners in Time; those were the Shroobs. The Bowser duo was just a couple of supporting antagonists. 5. There are too many inconsistencies as to past vs. present tense to mention.

This article is so problematic that the fact somebody would have the nerve to lock it is just a crying shame, an absolute crying shame. It is very clear to me now that the people at Wikipedia are conceited, greedy bullies who think they know everything just because they’re the Internet’s #1 most popular encyclopedia. Well, guess what? You’re not all that or a bag of chips. Academics discredit everything that comes off of your entitled little keyboards, even if you do cite your sources. I swear that anybody who’s employed by or has an account at Wikipedia has a literal god complex because you think you have the power to control every piece of information in the world at no charge.

I’m done with this site. I’m going to give up on this cause. The idea of an encyclopedia that everybody and their Aunt Francis can edit is a fundamentally ridiculous concept anyway; it’s full of spelling, grammar, and formatting mistakes out the wazoo. Say what you want about Bowser; just because it's on Wikipedia doesn't mean it's entirely accurate.
 * You think this is some sort of competition? It's not, grow up and quit being so competitive, I made a few spelling mistakes, BIG WHOOP, were here to have a consensus, not a Battle Royal, so quit being so picky. He wasn't credited because he did not do them, how the hell can you identify who did roaring voices with special effects?  Also, I don't give a rats behind about the Dinohattan part, it's just a spelling error, which can be fixed afterwards.  Also, I wasn't bragging, bragging is when you compare others traits to yourself, like you ripping on me for a few spelling mistakes, like you're the Grammar Police or something.  The difference between those credits is we know it's their voices because they aren't altered special effected analyzed roars and those have been reused with *Official Credits* proving it's them, where as, you have no proof it's Isaac Marshall's voice doing the roaring at all.  This is a talk page, where hear to make a decision on the subject, if you want to continue, I might as well bring others into this discussion so we can have a variety of open voices for this.  --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 23:14, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

If it's a simple spelling mistake, then why hasn't anyone fixed it? Still!? AFTER WEEKS!? This article is so poorly managed, it's an insult to my intelligence. Is English even the native language of whoever wrote such a poorly managed article?

"He wasn't credited because he did not do them." That's a complete load of poppycock! Shut up! HE DID TOO DO THEM, YOU ENTITLED ILLITERATE!!! Why do you think there are so many sites out there that cite Marshall as Bowser's voice? Sure, maybe they were modified by special effects, and that sounds realistic, but the voices of a lot of characters in the annals of video game history have been given a similar treatment.

Listen: I'm mad because some ungrateful, entitled a-hole who may or may not have been you had a nasty habit of reverting my spelling and grammar edits every time I fixed them out of civil courtesy. What is his/her problem!?

You know what? Everything I think is wrong, and everything you think is right. There are no Websites that cite Marshall as Bowser, and they are all figments of my imagination, and Google Search has lied to me.

End of discussion.

Break
IP, please present every source you have that proves your point. That will make it much easier to prove or discredit your stance. I don't want to argue with you, I just want to see your sources. Sergecross73  msg me  23:31, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Very well. Thank you very much for your time and consideration. It is much appreciated.

http://www.gamehiker.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bowser

http://www.absolute-video-games.com/artist/253/isaac-marshall

http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_voice_actors I don't think the people at SSB Wiki would like it if you took out a voice actor. Or a character.

http://www.discogs.com/Unknown-Artist-Nintendo-64-Trilogy-Music-From-The-Greatest-Nintendo-64-Games/release/3906594 Notice how there are several uncredited actors in this link.

http://gamewise.co/characters/105/Bowser/Contributions

http://www.imdb.com/search/title?count=100&sort=num_votes&explore=title_type&role=nm0550917& You can't go wrong with IMDb. Can 1,164 voters be wrong? Hard to say.

You know, that's actually pretty cool: I have an army of 1,164 voters backing me.

Say, Serge, since you're here, could you please address those spelling mistakes if it's not too much to ask? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 23:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:USERG - websites where anyone can write (wikis) or sign up to write their own blog, is unusable on Wikipedia. I believe that discounts a majority of the sources so far... As far as spelling errors go, you'll have to explain what you're referring to. Sergecross73   msg me  00:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

What about IMDb?

All right. It's "Dinohattan," as in, "Manhattan," not "Dinohatten." And it's not "cg appearances." It's "video game appearances."

And Bowser and Baby Bowser were supporting antagonists in Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, not the major antagonists.

And I recommend combining those three separate paragraphs about the 1993 live action movie Bowser into one.

You know, that's funny because you are literally WIKI-pedia, and you're saying that websites where anyone can write are unusable on a site where anyone can write. That's like calling yourself unreliable, which is what every university says you are. Ironic, isn't it?
 * It's not ironic at all. Wikipedia is based entirely on WP:V - what can be verified by reliable sources. As such, using a source that could be altered at any point by any person (a wiki) directly contradicts that. If we allowed for that, people could manipulate the wikis to say anything they want, and then in turn write whatever they want on Wikipedia. It's be the equivalent of someone using their personal whiteboard as a source, or being in school and citing your own personal essay to write a new essay.
 * In regards to IMDB - Short version: No. Long version: See WP:CITEIMDB. Sergecross73   msg me  00:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

The fact that you completely ignore my requests for corrections to this very day just goes to show you how ignorant you all are.

Don't flatter yourself, petty nonacademic. I've seen you cite The Mushroom Kingdom. That site is many things, but I assure you that a reliable source isn't one of them. You think you're the greatest source for free information in the modern world? You're not! Your site's existence is dependent on the gullibility of modern society who'll believe whatever you preach. Your site is for lazy people, people too lazy to do their homework and use your pathetic waste of a site as a crutch for easy information full of factual flaws that anyone can bend and twist at any time. The amount of contempt I have for you would blow your mind if you could see it on my face. You think you're the hero in this story? You're not. You have done more harm than good to the way people do their research. In fact, you should know what a horrible site you work for, Mr. Serge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia. I posted these links because I thought you should know for whom it is you work.

You know what? There's only one way to resolve this once and for all, and you and I know perfectly well what that is:

1. Find Isaac Marshall.

2. Speak to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 03:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you have a better source or not? If yes, present it. If not, we're done here. Any more personal attacks, (like calling people ignorant) will likely lead to you getting a block as well, so please tone it down. Sergecross73   msg me  10:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Somebody else got a block? Who?

Listen: I don't want to get angry, nor do I want to launch an attack on any one specific person, but I am angry because lack of anyone's responsiveness in general to my requests for spelling, grammar, and factual fixes does not leave me with a good impression of your site.

Anyway, like I just said, there is only one completely reliable source, and that source is Marshall himself. All I have to do is know how to contact him.

Oh, and one of your other versions of this site cites Marshall as Bowser. Thought you ought to know that your other languages need some updates: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Marshall.
 * The other issues weren't necessarily being ignored, I was just trying to solve the core issue here first, which is the sourcing. It seems you have none, so until you do, its to stay off the article. As far as the other Wikipedia article for Bowser, not a single source is cited in that entire article. I don't edit on other language Wikipedias, but if I did, I'd probably nominate it for deletion, as its entirely unsourced and probably doesn't meet the notability requirements. (And no, no one else got blocked. The "as well" was in reference to your editing restrictions. you've already been restricted from editing this article due to this content dispute. Any more personal attacks, and you'll lose the ability to edit any articles for a period.) Sergecross73   msg me  17:26, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I will try to tone it down, but you should know they're not intended as not personal attacks against any specific individuals. They're intended as general criticisms of your site's management. Whether you take it personally is a decision entirely up to you.

What if I had legitimate sourcing? Would I then be free to edit this article again?

Also, you don't cite any sources to prove that Bowser's voice was provided by stock sound effects either. The pot here is apparently calling the kettle black.

That said, how about we call it a truce and go with the following instead?

First, we do away with the whole sentence about roars, snarls, and laughs. Then, we start the section about voiceover portrayal like this: "Bowser's first credited voice in video games was provided by radio personality and voice actor Scott Burns..." and then, we continue with the rest as usual.

No mention of either Marshall or stock sound effects whatsoever. Sound fair to you?

Really, man. I hope we can settle on this agreement. I know this sounds crazy, but this article has been a home to me for the past several years; I've really enjoyed coming here and editing it every time it makes a small goof because I love making things easier for passersby in cyberspace to read and sharing my knowledge with them. I really do hope you understand where I'm coming from here. I'm a longtime anonymous contributor to this article, and it holds a special place in my heart. In fact, the same goes for every article I've edited here in which I have extensive knowledge on the subject. The truth is, I don't hate your site. While I do have contempt for some things you do, I know that, all in all, you have a good purpose for doing what you do.
 * The article was only locked for 24 hours, though I'll lock it right back up in an instant if disputes happen again, or if you add anything that's improperly/not sourced.
 * Anything that cannot be sourced, should be removed. If Vaati or anyone cannot provide sources for the current content of the article, it should be removed too.
 * You're free to present proposals on the talk page, but you need to write them according to what sources say, showing the sources you'd use to write the ideas you want to write. Sergecross73   msg me  18:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not trying to present any new information--I'm just proposing that we take out something that's already there, something not cited.

It's unlocked again? Okay. If I can't put in anything about Isaac Marshall, could I please at least make the spelling fixes I said I was going to make, if only with your consent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.20.30 (talk) 18:49, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Proof
Ok, so I found at least one or two of Bowser's Roars, it was from a King Kong (1976) Movie:

King Kong (1976):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNkof76o8P8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znSACsZMa0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P749Vnd3WSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcoZR1mIeNA

Roaring Identified:

http://themushroomkingdom.net/sounds/wav/mg-n64_bowser_1.wav

Does this help? --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 22:47, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The sources should really state the ideas directly. To say that two things just sound alike would be a violation of WP:SYNTH. My 2 cents is to remove the voice stuff altogether. All he does is grumble and growl, and it plays no significant part in what makes him the character he is. Charles Martinets "Itsa me, Mario" is iconic and important to his character. These generic growls and noises for Bowser, really aren't omportant, regardless of who/what provides it. Sergecross73   msg me  00:33, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * So should I just remove the *Voice and portrayal* section all together then? --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 00:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I would, unless someone's got more sources and a sense direction in defining some sort of importance about it. Sergecross73   msg me  01:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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Is Bowser really a bad guy
Is Bowser actually a villain or not because he sometimes defeats himself in Mario games like new super Mario Bros. Dublinbus46a38122 (talk) 19:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 28 January 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 02:23, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Bowser (character) → Bowser – Clearly the primary topic per pageviews. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 02:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you link to the. Pageview data?--64.229.165.48 (talk) 05:50, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * |Bowser_(surname)|Bowser_(character)|Bowser,_British_Columbia|Bowser,_Texas|Bowser_railway_station Here you go. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 18:40, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose, speedy close target is a large dab page full of subjects including a real Bowser. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:10, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose alternative King Koopa - seems to be more common in GBooks, possibly because of the Japanese original and the Dennis Hopper version, but all the same, more common in GBooks than "Bowser". In ictu oculi (talk) 10:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose "King Koopa". While it might be used a tad more in GBooks, the character is most commonly known as "Bowser" in English. Paintspot Infez (talk) 13:12, 2 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Leaning oppose. The fictional character cannot take precedence for historical significance over real place names. bd2412  T 19:46, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Support, and move the dab page to Bowser (disambiguation). The page views are pretty overwhelming in favor of the character. I don't know of any policy that prevents fictional characters from being primary over geographical places. kennethaw88 • talk 06:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:PRIMARYTOPIC2 is the policy that typically prevents most fictional characters being considered more long term notable than all other subjects (places, people, actual bowsers) combined. I think the question here is, without PT1 would this pass PT2 In ictu oculi (talk) 10:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Too many candidates, including Jon Bauman in addition to those mentioned above. Also, the nomination is a malformed multimove request, as the target name is already occupied. Two related prior discussions are found at Talk:Bowser. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:05, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Support, along with moving the dab. The Mario character is more likely than not to be the topic sought when searching "Bowser", so it should be moved per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:49, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. If anything, I'd say Bowser (tanker) was the closest to primary usage. Of course there is going to be more traffic re a video game character on the internet! That doesn't mean it's a primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:08, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No evidence that the video game character is primary with respect to long-term significance. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:49, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. A fictional character should not take lead over real-life names of people, places, and things. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 18:45, 3 February 2018 (UTC)


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What is the origin of the name Bowser?
I've been searching for a reference, and I can't find one. It seems like Nintendo of America's new CEO "Doug Bowser" is not the namesake. Cartossin (talk) 14:50, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

New Concept and Creation Info
I've added new info in the concept and creation section of Bowser's Article, I hope that's ok. I found it in the Iwata Ask section here: http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/systems/volume_8_14207.html#top

Feel free to change it to make it Wikipedia standard. - NintendoFan6 22:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2019
Bowser is a Koopa who lives in a castle, He has a son named Bowser Jr. Sometimes he calls Bowser Jr. "Jr." BowserTheKoopa425 (talk) 18:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Did you read the article? This is already mentioned. Meters (talk) 18:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 10 October 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus the character is the primary topic. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 17:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Bowser (character) → Bowser
 * Bowser → Bowser (disambiguation)

– I'm not sure how this works, but I think this is the right choice for what it should be. The character always comes up when people are searching for Bowser. GeeJay24 (talk) 12:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. I mean, it's not like there's another, super-popular character named Bowser running around. Leader Vladimir (talk) 13:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support the character is the primary topic among all other articles beginning with "Bowser". Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:00, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Definitely the primary topic. -- Maykii (talk) 01:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose fails WP:PT specifically fails long term encyclopaedic primary in books - particularly any textbook related to fluids. A bowser is a longstanding term for a petrol/fluids tank in UK and a water tanker in Australia. No objection to a move to King Koopa. Also can someone add in the article how exactly King Koopa got named "water tanker", there's no explanation in the article as to the origin of this name. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:31, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "Bowser" has been a stereotypical name for a dog since at least 1920. See, e.g., the Wiktionary entry and the several dog characters I just added to the dab page. The dog name is presumably the origin of the Mario character origin. Unfortunately, this means that is incomplete disambiguation. Consider  or  (if not just ). —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 15:33, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * Strong support clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by page views, and probably what most people search for when using the term.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Just "Bowser" alone has the character as a primary topic.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Bowser (tanker) and Muriel Bowser give me some pause, but the page views are clear enough, and after 35 years I don't see a "long term significance" argument being compelling. Dictionary definitions are not automatically primary, note Twice. User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 23:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support the only other thing I could think of that would get confused for Bowser would be Doug Bowser. I do see the reasoning for Bowser (tanker) (which I didn't even know was a term for a tanker until just now) and Muriel Bowser, however if we were to change it to something else instead of just Bowser, I would object to King Koopa as he is rarely referred to that name (outside of maybe Japan although i'm not all that familiar with his current Japanese name) anymore. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per my previous failed RM. If it weren't the PTOPIC, the correct disambiguator would be Bowser (Mario) or similar. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 16:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No clear primary topic. My first thought on hearing the word would be Bowser (tanker). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose I agree the tanker meaning is also common.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:25, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, I find myself agreeing with the example given by User:力, that dictionary definitions do not automatically confer a term primary topic status on Wikipedia, especially when dictionary entries are not presumed to warrant a standalone article on Wikipedia in many circumstances. I don't believe Doug Bowser is known on a mononymous last name basis, so that can be discounted. In fact, no argument has been advanced by those who oppose that anything other then the bowser tanker is being commonly referred to mononymously. Long term significance is not an issue, especially when video game elements are now being discussed in publications which study video games as an academic pursuit since the 2000s. Haleth (talk) 01:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "the bowser tanker is being commonly referred to mononymously". No, it's not mononymous in that sense. It's called a bowser, not a bowser tanker. Hence the parenthetical disambiguation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. When I think of Bowser, this is the only thing I think of. The tanker is a pretty niche thing if you ask me Invinciblewalnut (talk) 06:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Personally, as someone with no interest whatsoever in that sort of video game, I wouldn't think of the character unless the context was made clear. I would always think of the tanker (the term being especially commonly used in a military sense). It all depends on your areas of interest and knowledge. You can't just automatically assume that everyone thinks of a video game character first and therefore assume the other meanings are niche. Given the clear long-term significance of the tanker, no primary topic seems obvious to me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Did something get missed? The page was not moved, but the primary topic was redirected here. -- ferret (talk) 19:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Turns out Bowser (character) is move protected. I have requested the move at WP:RMT. Vpab15 (talk) 20:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's unclear to me if this is closed, but I'm just now seeing is. I Support that its the primary topic. Tree Critter (talk) 00:44, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 19 October 2021

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close. The previous RM was closed just yesterday, as a consensus to move. If any editors feel the close was wrong, then the correct procedure is to begin a discussion with the closer and then if you're still· dissatisfied, to open a WP:Move review. There should not be a fresh RM on the same topic so soon. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Bowser (character) → Bowser – per Talk:Bowser_(character). Vpab15 (talk) 17:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Per what rationale? There are some opposes in that discussion, including a strong oppose, so you'll need to do better for a close than just "moved". Lennart97 (talk) 18:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the comment. Notwithstanding that strong oppose the consensus is quite clear. Vpab15 (talk) 18:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I participated in the discussion, but agree the closing statement is insufficient. User:力 (power~enwiki, π,  ν ) 18:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Bowser (character) describes to what to me is an ordinary routine monster living in the fictional world of a videogame, of which there are hundreds, and I never heard of him until this move query arose. To me the main meaning of "bowser" is a tanker-lorry / tanker-truck: see Bowser (disambiguation). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Isn't WP:Move review the right place for further discussion of this? There was already an RM. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 12:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, this seems out-of-process. The technical request should have been fulfilled. Disagreements with the close should be handled in the normal way (talk page discussion with the closer, and then MRV if necessary). Colin M (talk) 15:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The RM closed almost unanimously, this should just get moved and then reviewed after if someone objects.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:26, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Request a correction of a dot
At the start of the In other media section, it says "Outside of Super Mario series. Bowser appears..." What disturbs me is the dot after "series", shouldn't be there a coma instead? And thus, it would be "Outside of Super Mario series, Bowser appears..." As I'm not autoconfirmed, I can't make that correction, so could someone else make it please? -Kirbeat (talk) 00:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome! I agree that it should be a comma, and have made the change. Thanks for pointing it out! –FlyingAce✈hello 00:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Neat, you are welcome and thank you by making the change! -Kirbeat (talk) 00:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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