Talk:Boysenberry

Location of Boysen Farm
Rudolf Boysen lived in Anaheim (in Orange County which is south of Los Angeles) for most of his adult life, yet this article claims that his farm, where he bred the boysenberry, was in northern California. That seems highly unlikely unless Boysen was an absentee farmer or if his farm was only a few miles north of the Kern County line (the traditional boundary between northern and southern California). California, the third largest state in the Union, is about the size of Italy, and travel between north and south was not so easy in the first half of the 20th century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.194.127 (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Further research shows that Boysen developed the boysenberry in 1920 on a farm in Napa, California (the famed wine producing valley in northern California), so it appears that Boysen did this half a decade prior to his employment at Walter Knott's farm in Anaheim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.194.127 (talk) 02:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * When completing research, there is data that shows that the berry originated in New Zealand. The site goes on to talk about boysenberries being a product of importation from during the great depression in the 1920s and was brought to California. "[Mr George Darrow] contacted a small fruit grower and nurseryman Walter Knott at his berry farm in Buena Park, California, and together they eventually tracked down Mr Boysen. H took them to his former ranch to locate some plants, but all they found were some withered and straggly plants, with no berries on them. https://boysenberry.co.nz/en/boysenberries/history-of-the-boysenberry/ Julesrdesign (talk) 00:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You don't provide a WP:RS source for the statement, "shows that the berry originated in New Zealand. The site goes on to talk about boysenberries being a product of importation during the great depression in the 1920s and was brought to California."
 * According to Karp's LA Times article, the timeline sequence was 1) 1881 - Logan established the loganberry in northern California, 2) some years after, the logan was crossed with the dewberry to create the lubbenberry, 3) 1923 - farming Lubben's property, Boysen took boysenberry plants to southern California, 4) 1932, Knott obtained plants from USDA's Darrow, and began farming, 5) 1934, Knott sold boysenberries to the public at Knott's Berry Farm which still exists and sells boysenberries.
 * Karp also describes scientific studies of genes, plants and berries confirming the boysenberry as a logan-dewberry cultivar.
 * The article you provided about New Zealand boysenberries states their arrival in NZ in the late 1930s. The article History section seems accurate in describing this berry as developed and refined in California in the early 20th century before it arrived in NZ. Zefr (talk) 02:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)