Talk:Brétigny-sur-Orge train crash

Death toll
If the death toll stays at 6 we should find a reference to include a statement (possibly in a note) that it was initially reported as 7. If the death toll does rise, please remember to also update the Brétigny-sur-Orge and Brétigny (Paris RER) articles. Thryduulf (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, the number of injuries stated in the Introduction says "nearly 200". This is based on an initial news report (Main page reference 1). The official BEA-TT interim report (see Interim Report comment below or here), appears to state 32 injuries, 11 of which were major (although my French is not perfect). I think the Intro should be updated to reflect the official report. 94.68.89.239 (talk) 08:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

See also Grayrigg?
I'm wondering about adding the Grayrigg derailment to the see also section. I hesitate because it was not at a station. What do others think? Thryduulf (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I dont think they have enough in common. Grayrigg was caused by a leading point's blades spreading due to tie-bar failure.  Making out what I can through the language barrier, this one appears to be a detached fishplate stuck in the 'frog'. 86.140.171.230 (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Grayrigg was caused by faulty points, which seems to be the cause here. Only difference was that it did not occur at a station. Mjroots (talk) 17:33, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Rail line
Apart from the service/train this was that crashed, what physical SNCF railway/rail line did this occur on? While not absolutely important to page, I think it'd be another good piece of information to add to the article. --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems to be the Paris–Bordeaux railway, but I may be wrong. Grover Snodd (talk) 19:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Worst since Gare de Lyon?
I've seen the claim that this was the worst accident in France since the 1988 Gare de Lyon accident in a couple of places, but I can't see what the justification for this is. Assuming the criterion is either overall or passenger fatalities, there have been Melun in 1991 (16 fatalities, 14 or 15 passengers), Port-Sainte-Foy in 1997 (13 fatalities, 12 passengers) and Nancy in 2002 (12 fatalities, all passengers). Of course, Port-Sainte-Foy was a crossing accident caused by a truck driver and Nancy was a fire in a sleeping car owned and staffed by Deutsche Bahn, so they could arguably be discounted because SNCF/RFF wasn't really responsible, but I don't see why Melun doesn't count. The number of injuries at Bretigny may be greater than in some of the other accidents, but it's difficult to see how that can be balanced against the difference in fatalities. Grover Snodd (talk) 15:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Interim report
The BEA-TT interim report on the accident is now available (in French only) here. Railway Gazette also has a story based on the report here. Grover Snodd (talk) 15:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

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