Talk:Brabant Revolution/Archives/2015/January

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This article need to be translated, and I don't know the template for requesting translation help l santry (talk) 15:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * replaced wikified partial google translate from it wp with request for proper non-google translation שחקן (talk) 20:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 12:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Brabantine Revolution → Brabant Revolution – Undoing the recent revision. "Brabantine" (the adjective) has no currency whatsoever in English and all scholarly literature in English uses the term "Brabant Revolution". Ditto the contemporary revolution in Liège, which is referred to by the name of the place, not the adjective. Brigade Piron (talk) 10:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC) Usage of "Brabant Revolution" in published, academic sources include: And, more broadly on respectable websites: It's rare in English to have any provincial adjective - in Belgium, it's just too confusing. Relisted. BDD (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC) ---Brigade Piron (talk) 10:52, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia Britannica
 * The Journal of Belgian History
 * Journal of Low Country Studies
 * The Role of the Clergy in the Brabant Revolution, 1789-1790
 * Museum of Letters and Manuscripts, Belgium
 * Other academic usage
 * H-Net
 * World History at KMLA
 * I'd also add that Google Books lists 2,140 results for "Brabant Revolution", but only 295 for "Brabantine" ---Brigade Piron (talk) 16:01, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. While I'm neutral on the move, I would just say that the claim made above that ""Brabantine" (the adjective) has no currency whatsoever in English" is rubbish. I've seen it many times. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough. It's usage was certainly sporadic in the 18/19th century English; I don't think I've seen it in anything more modern. Most of the times you do see it, it's in the works of Francophone/Dutch historians anyway who search for an English approximation of "Brabançonne/Brabantse" However, I still maintain that "Brabant Revolution" is much more common, see the links above.--Brigade Piron (talk) 15:52, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * My impression was that 'Brabantian' was the adjective, though this may be incorrect.  Oreo Priest  talk 15:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I prefer adjectives. Even if "Brabant Revolution" is more common, it is not as if the subject is so notable and well-discussed in English as to leave us no leeway. Srnec (talk) 23:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd agree with you in principal, but in this case, it is very confusing. As I hope I've established above, Brabant is WP:COMMONNAME and there is quite a bit of English-language literature on the subject. To vary from the norm would create more confusion than it's worth! ---Brigade Piron (talk) 15:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, especially Google Books count.  Oreo Priest  talk 15:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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