Talk:Bradley International Airport/Archive 1

General Aviation
In reference to an edit by User:202.67.154.189 there are General Aviation flights which operate into and out of Bradley International Airport. The reason they are not listed on the airport's website is both of these terminals are privately owned/operated and as a result they are not open to the public. They are only open to private and charter aircraft, their crew and passengers. Misterrick 21:52, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

So why are you are you including the general aviation in this article if it is not open to the public? 198.31.188.82 21:08, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It is part of this article because private and charter aircrafts don't use the public A or B terminals and the reason these General Aviation terminals are not open to the public is because unlike Terminals A and B there are no airlines that operate out of these terminals, they are strictly for incoming and outgoing private and charter aircraft and unless you are departing from or meeting someone at the GAT you cannot just go inside and walk around, If you did and without a legitimate reason for being there you are basically told to leave. Misterrick 05:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

mikemillerdc 20:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Section
This article contains a trivia section listing airlines and aircraft types which a spotter may see landing at BDL. I would submit that such a list is not necessary and unimportant, since it would always be redundant with any similar list from any other mid-size airport in the US. In any case such a list will always be incomplete, as spotters cannot note every type that lands. The capper is the general discouragement of trivia sections anyway. I am removing. --Bridgecross 16:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

In any case such information is not independently verifiable by Wikipedia standards. --Bridgecross 16:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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Current Events
Updated information regarding the Airbus A380 Visit. Pratt and Whitney is not the only player in the development of the engine. Hamilton Sundstrand also has designed allot of the subsystems of the Airbus A380. Hamilton Sundstrand is also located right across form the main passanger terminal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.156.42.129 (talk) 18:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC) This should be clarifed and state United Technologies divisions.

Keep an eye out for updates on the closing of Terminal B, which may be scheduled for July 1Engelalber (talk) 01:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Superfund Site?
This airport is listed as one of the List of Superfund sites, but there is no mention within the article of even a potential contamination at the site. Why is it included in the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.163.70 (talk) 17:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Continental Mainline
I dont think Continental even has Seasonal Mainline now.. Delta, NW, US Airways, United, and Southwest, have taken all the mainline. They may bring it back, but for the time bieng, as my research shows, no more CO mainline for now. Just be happy Delta/NW operated 9 mainline Dest. :-) Tofutwitch11 (talk) 17:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have removed CO mainline, i don't see it returning any time now. I'm still seeing Continental departing from Gates A1 and A3 on their website. Snoozlepet (talk) 04:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

US Air Seasonal Service to PHX
I do not believe US Air offers any non-stop service between BDL and PHX. Can someone check on this because I thought this flight was completely discontinued in October of 2008. 192.249.47.9 (talk) 17:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Delta/Northwest Merger & Gate Assignments
During the night of 2/3 March 2009, Northwest vacated its gates and ticket counters. The local spotters' mailing list reports that gates A5/A7 are now officially "vacant". As I'm not able to independently verify this information, I've resisted the urge to edit the article...but I'd say that the Northwest gate assignments and Delta's expected assumption of a Continental gate mentioned in the article are now very suspect. MikeTheActuary (talk) 03:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

They will be taken by American Airlines when they move to terminal A east Concourse (Tofutwitch11 (talk) 19:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC))

Alirlines/Destinations
Hi, I changed the airlines/destinations into a chart, i think it looks better than it was beafore, and that is how most airports have it now, i was wondering how you guys liked it. Leave a response and let me know. I think it looks much better. Thanks (Tofutwitch11 (talk) 19:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC))
 * WP:AIRPORTS guidelines is to use that table format. Snoozlepet (talk) 16:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok well it was not in a chart for a long time...lol (Tofutwitch11 (talk) 19:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC))
 * Most airport articles uses the table format. Snoozlepet (talk) 06:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

International Flights
The article has an unattributed statement about NWA offering a flight to Amsterdam:

''In the next year or so, Northwest Airlines will begin the international flight to Amsterdam (AMS). These flights will be operated with Northwest's Boeing 757-200 aircraft. These aircraft will be retrofitted with winglets. The specifics of the flights are not yet known.''

At this point, I believe this to be speculation. There is no source for it, and a search on NWA's website and news.google.com did not find any reference.
 * NWA's website has the announcement and it is fouind on the main page of the website announcing new service from Detroit to Dusseldorf and Belgium and Hartford to Amsterdam. Bucs2004 05:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think NWA started and then discontinued the flight to Amsterdam, because it is not listed under destinations in the article, however, it is possible that the destinations list is out of date. 71.193.162.77 (talk) 03:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

NWA did have a flight from BDL to Amsterdam. However, this was cancelled. http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/200610111335PR_NEWS_USPR_____CGW041.htm

The map under Airlines and destinations is out of date. Should somebody put it up for speedy deletion? 71.193.162.77 (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Northwest (now Delta) is going to restart service again. This page and the Northwest page say so. 67.171.172.44 (talk) 02:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

They have again canlelled it beacuase of the current economic state, they said that if the economy improved, they would consider recontinuing service. (Tofutwitch11 (talk) 19:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC))

Previous Destinations
Why can other airport aritcles on Wikipedia contain the history of previous destinations such as TF Green in Providence, RI, Rochester International in Rochester, NY, and Pittsburgh International in Pittsburgh. But the the article on Bradley International Airport cannot have this section? What makes the article on Bradley airport so special that it cannot have a section on service history that includes previous destinations but other airport articles can have this section?


 * Albany, NY (Continental Airlines)
 * Amsterdam, Netherlands (Northwest Airlines)
 * Boston, MA (Air New England, Business Express Airlines, and Delta Airlines formerly Northeast Airlines)
 * Buffalo, NY (Best Airlines and US Airways)
 * Burlington, VT (Air Vermont)
 * Columbus, OH (Delta Airlines and America West Airlines)
 * Dayton, OH (US Airways)
 * Houston, TX (Continental Airlines)
 * Indianapolis, IN (Northwest Airlines)
 * Jacksonville, FL (Delta Airlines)
 * Lebanon, NH (Delta Airlines)
 * Los Angeles, CA (American Airlines, Delta Airlines, and United Airlines)
 * Memphis, TN (Northwest Airlines)
 * Oranjestad, Aruba (USA 3000 Airlines)
 * Presque Isle, ME (Aroostook Airways)
 * Phoenix, AZ (US Airways formerly America West Airlines)
 * Portland, ME (Northeast Express Regional Airlines)
 * Portland, OR (Northwest Airlines)
 * Punta Cana, Dominican Republic (USA 3000 Airlines)
 * Saint Louis, MO, (American Airlines formerly Trans World Airlines)
 * Salt Lake City, UT (Delta Airlines)
 * San Francisco, CA (United Airlines)
 * Syracuse, NY (US Airways)

The airlines below formerly offered service to cities that other airlines currently offer service from Bradley Airport. The airlines and cities are listed below.
 * AirTran Airways formerly ValuJet Airlines (Atlanta, GA and Orlando, FL)
 * Allegheny Airlines (Pittsburgh, PA)
 * America West Airlines (Las Vegas, NV)
 * American Airlines (New York, NY, Raleigh, NC, and Washington, DC)
 * Best Airlines (Cleveland, OH and Philadelphia, PA)
 * Business Express Airlines (New York, NY)
 * Delta Airlines (Las Vegas, NV) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.242.14.197 (talk) 18:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Eastern Air Lines (Atlanta, GA, Charlotte, NC, Miami, FL, New York, NY, and San Juan, PR)
 * Frontier Airlines (Denver, CO)
 * Independence Airlines (Washington, DC)
 * Midway Airlines (1976-1991) (Chicago, IL)
 * Midway Airlines (1993-2003) (Raleigh, NC)
 * Midwest Airlines (Milwaukee, WI)
 * New York Air (New York, NY and Washington, DC)
 * Northwest Airlines (Detroit, MI and Minneapolis, MN)
 * Pan American World Airways (Maimi, FL and New York, NY)
 * Peoplexpress Airlines (Baltimore, MD and Newark, NJ)
 * Piedmont Airlines (Charlotte,NC, New York,NY, Philadelphia,PA, and Washington,DC)
 * Southwest Airlines (Philadelphia, PA)
 * Trans World Airlines (Atlanta, GA and New York, NY)
 * United Airlines (Denver, CO)
 * US Airways (Cancun, Mexico)
 * USA 3000 Airlines (Cancun, Mexico)


 * Per longstanding editor consensus at WP:AIRPORTS, former routes are not listed in airport articles. However, they do remain in airline destinations. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 20:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

American to London (LHR)
There's been no announcement about AA service to LHR.

No confirmation or source provided.

Removed as, at best, original research.

Courcelles (talk) 07:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Delta/Northwest Destination Swaps
Delta and Northwest have been doing many destination swaps. EX: NWA=BDL-PBI (Ends Nov.20) They give it to Delta starting Nov.21. EX: DEL=BDL-RSW (Ends January 4) They give it to Northwest on January 5. I find this annoying. Bear with us and make changes as needed.

Tofutwitch11 (talk) 02:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is all part of the route demand and yes you will see Delta/Northwest routes being swapped. This is all part of their merger being completed. Snoozlepet (talk) 05:17, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

delta fort lauderdale service
I believe this service is still seasonal.

Terminal B Closed???
I found no info that terminal B is closed -- yet. On AA and Air Canada's site, they have flights arriving at Departing from Term.B. There is no info on BDL's site. Any backup on this?? Tofutwitch11 (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * As of this date, Terminal B is still in operation by AA. Firelife (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Although different parts of the BDL website give conflicting information, I physically visited Terminal B today. It's still open.  Renovations to the west side of Terminal A aren't complete enough to move AA and AC over. I've made the relevant edits to the article. MikeTheActuary (talk) 00:43, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Further, I arrived on an American Airlines flight today, and the terminal is still in operation.--Firelife 19:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Terminal B is now closed, there is also proof on BDL's website; and American Airlines and Air Canada are stationed in Terminal A. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.136.241 (talk) 17:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Delta NWA Combine
When should we combine Delta and NWA, the sooner the better becuase it is confusing so see DL flights ending and people thinking "ohh too bad, no more BDL-RSW, lets go to JFK. They dont realize NWA is simply taking the flight, it can be very misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tofutwitch11 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * DL and NWA are one carrier now.....they merged operating certificates on the eve of December 31. So, all of the flights are Delta flights now. Snoozlepet (talk) 22:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Monorail
Someone should write a section on the whole monorail boondogle - it was quite a big deal at the time, back in the 70s I think. Brianyoumans (talk) 20:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Added a mention. Can't find much information at all on it! --Zfish118 (talk) 01:29, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I know that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the local Sierra Club opposed it. The NAACP claimed it "wasn't real mass transit," and the Sierra Club was upset with the idea of providing parking lots for the monorail. Ultimately, I think the real reason they opposed it was because it was built by Ford Motor Company and both groups were on an attack against the automotive industry in the 1970's. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I found a couple of additional articles on the People Mover. It was never a monorail but an elevated roadway that automated cars traveled on.  I updated the section to reflect that and added/corrected other information. Dbroer (talk) 15:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Possible new routes from the new Terminal B
A whole section was added providing a list of possible future routes out of Terminal B. Since the editor who added it did not provide a source of any kind, I have removed it. If anyone can find any announcements, please feel free to readd. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 01:40, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Jetblue Gate assignments
Jetblue will be taking both of Northwest airlines old gates, A5, and A7. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.58.92 (talk) 18:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Gates at BDL
Does anyone know if there are any open gates for airlines to EXPAND? I think there is one in Councourse B, but thats not alot if an airline wants to come in, and I think jetBlue needs more then two gates. Bradley is stopping itself from it's own growth.... Is this true? After the CO/UN merger, we should have 2 extra gates in Councourse A, when CO moves to the UNI gates, as they really don't need thier own... So what do you guys think? Tofutwitch11 (talk) 11:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Right now (ignoring Jet Blue for the moment) Gates 5, 7, 8 and 20 are open. I heard from a contact at BDL that AC has dibs on moving from 22 to 20 when the Terminal A renovations are complete (but that's rumor/speculation), and presumably CO would move to the West concourse if the UA/CO merger is approved. (UA has more luggage space and US has a club on the west side)
 * If we indulge in speculation, and assume that AA and UA/CO might want contiguous gates, it's easy to imagine BDL assignments looking like this (still ignoring JetBlue):


 * {| class="wikitable"

! Airline !! Possible Future Gates
 * Southwest || 2, 4, 6
 * Delta || 9, 10, 11, 12
 * Air Canada || 20
 * United/Continental || 21, 23, 25
 * American || 22, 24, 26
 * USAir || 27, 28, 29, 30
 * vacant/future || 1, 3, 5, 7, 8
 * }
 * American || 22, 24, 26
 * USAir || 27, 28, 29, 30
 * vacant/future || 1, 3, 5, 7, 8
 * }
 * vacant/future || 1, 3, 5, 7, 8
 * }
 * }


 * Probably the bigger limiting factor in getting another airline into BDL until the new Terminal B is built is ticket counter and luggage/cargo space, rather than gate availability.
 * Regarding JetBlue -- the reason I keep switching the gate assignments in the article back to "TBD" is that the assignment hasn't been announced, there is no sign of JetBlue's future presence at A5/A7, and rumors of new gate assignments have been proven false before. (Remember when CO was rumored to move to West when they from SkyTeam to Star Alliance, and how AA was going to be in East?)
 * There's still opportunity for other airlines to play "musical gates", especially in the face of UA and CO's increasingly close relationship, before JetBlue begins service.
 * Besides, with their announced schedule (departures at 7:20a, 9:00a, 3:05p, 4:15p; arrivals at 2:14p, 3:30p, 9:37p, and 10:44p) and the tendency for carriers at BDL to make use of ample/cheap apron parking to miminize their gate utilization, JetBlue only needs one gate at BDL unless/until they expand service.
 * Of course, if there is some publicly available information on JetBlue's future gate assignments, or when JetBlue branding starts appearing, I'll happily quit reverting to TBD.
 * I'm looking forward to seeing JetBlue too. :)  MikeTheActuary (talk) 19:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, i'm sure you are right. BUT, JetBlue stated that thier main goal at BDL was to serve florida destinations. And, knowing BDL's history, it has a very good florida market. Now, with what you are saying, that after all the gate swapping is over we have 1, 3, 5, 7, 8 open [which makes us look like a no-life airport, kinda like PVD] Here are my speculations, with Jetblue included.


 * {| class="wikitable"

! Airline !! Possible Future Gates
 * Southwest || 2, 4, 6
 * Delta || 8, 9, 10, 11, 12
 * Air Canada || 20
 * United/Continental || 21, 23, 25
 * American || 22, 24, 26
 * USAir[AWE] || 27, 28, 29, 30
 * JetBlue || 1, 3, 5, [Maybe 7]
 * Future [Virgin America?] || 7
 * }
 * American || 22, 24, 26
 * USAir[AWE] || 27, 28, 29, 30
 * JetBlue || 1, 3, 5, [Maybe 7]
 * Future [Virgin America?] || 7
 * }
 * Future [Virgin America?] || 7
 * }
 * }
 * I would think, from JetBlue's press release, and Hartford Reputation that they would need 3-4 gates. Lets say they get to about 25 Daily departures [Which is likely, depending on where they expand to] They could use the gates. I threw in gate 8 for DL becuase of the added LAX service, and possible AMS, or London-Heathrow/Gatwick service stated by delta in November of 2009. Depending on if the State Of Connecticut wants to expand or not, will determine when the new terminal is built. Knowing the state, it could be a while.. But, we will have to wait and see.
 * Also, I kept gate 7 on maybe, because Virgin America has stated that Hartford is very possible.
 * We will have to wait and see :-)
 * Tofutwitch11 (talk) 13:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * This is what I can see happening with the gates situation as of July, 14, after all the new start up.


 * {| class="wikitable"

! Airline !! Possible Future Gates
 * Southwest || 2, 4, 6
 * Delta || 7, 9, 10, 11, 12
 * Air Canada || 20
 * United/Continental || 21, 23, 25
 * American || 22, 24, 26
 * USAir || 27, 28, 29, 30
 * Jetblue || 8
 * Frontier || either 1, 3, or 5
 * }
 * American || 22, 24, 26
 * USAir || 27, 28, 29, 30
 * Jetblue || 8
 * Frontier || either 1, 3, or 5
 * }
 * Frontier || either 1, 3, or 5
 * }
 * }


 * I gave delta another gate because of the build up in service. I fell that they will need to add a gate and maybe even a second. If they do i think they will just take northwest old gates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.58.92 (talk) 12:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Tofutwitch11 (talk) 13:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * If you are going to speculate on gate assignments, there is a much better chance AirTran would begin service at BDL than Virgin American. AirTran formerly served BDL under ValuJet, their hubs are closer to BDL and they are a much larger airline.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.242.14.197 (talk) 17:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Not really, Now that JetBlue is serving the airport, I could only see airtran flying to its Atlanta hub. When jetblue new's service comes in november, AirTran would have no market for Orlando, barely for altanta as DL does 6x MD-88 Daily, sometimes 7. Here is what the BDL-MCO will look like in November.


 * {| class="wikitable"

! Airline !! Daily Departures to MCO !! Weekly Departures to MCO !! Aircraft
 * Southwest || 2-3 || 20 || 737
 * Delta || 2 || 14 || MD-88/A319/A320
 * JetBlue || 2 || 14 || A320
 * }
 * JetBlue || 2 || 14 || A320
 * }
 * }
 * }


 * Tofutwitch11 (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Re. the editing back and forth about DL's purported use of gates A5 & A7: While I was waiting for a flight out this morning, it occurred to me that the possible source of the confusion comes from aircraft which overnight at BDL.
 * Delta does currently "use" A5 and A7 to park aircraft remaining overnight. Someone recording gate assignments might get the wrong impression if their edits were based just on looking at where aircraft are parked.
 * By the same standard, other airlines still "use" Terminal B, as well as east cargo and the post office.
 * However, Delta does not board/disembark passengers at A5 or A7. Current Delta propaganda doesn't appear at either gate.   Delta doesn't appear to be assigned to those gates on BDL's website.   If we're going to have gate assignments in the article, those would be the objective standards we should probably base those assignments on.
 * So, until Jet Blue starts showing up in public BDL documentation or JetBlue logos start going up at those gates...or until some other gate switch-a-roo occurs, A5 and A7 should probably continue to be considered unassigned for this article's purposes. MikeTheActuary (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Florida Rush
All of a sudden airlines are adding/starting service to florida. Look at this chart which gives an example of what Dec 2010 would look like:

Hartford, CT - Fort Lauderdale, FL:

Delta Airlines 1025 7:10AM (MD-88)

JetBlue Airways 325 7:20AM (A320)

Southwest Airlines 923 7:35AM (737)

Delta Airlines 1533 2:00PM (MD-88)

JetBlue Airways 327 4:15PM (A320)

This is surprising because as of now (Jun2010) there are NO BDL-FLL flights!

Hartford, CT - Orlando, FL:

Southwest Airlines 3394 6:50AM (737)

Delta Airlines 1099 7:45AM (A320)

JetBlue Airways 331 9:00AM (A320)

Southwest Airlines 353 9:15AM (737)

Delta Airlines 745 2:20PM (A320)

JetBlue Airways 333 3:05PM (A320)

Southwest Airlines 110 3:55PM (737)

Hartford, CT - Fort Myers, FL:

Delta Airlines 2451 2:45PM (A319)

Hartford, CT - Tampa, FL:

Delta Airlines 331 7:15AM (MD-88)

Southwest Airlines 176 8:05AM (737)

Southwest Airlines 60 3:15PM (737)

Hartford, CT - West Palm Beach, FL:

Delta Airlines 1493 2:50PM (A319)

Hartford, CT - Miami, FL:

American Airlines 2005 5:55AM (737)

American Airlines 449 2:30PM (737)

Well there we have it! 18 Daily Florida departures on four airlines. I can see the competition already. Any thoughts on who will do best? Tofutwitch11 (talk) 21:45, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This is surprising because as of now (Jun2010) there are NO BDL-FLL flights!
 * No not really that surprising, you forget that Delta did have seasonal 2X Daily service from November to June and Southwest had seasonal satuday only service October-March. So it is not that surprising for the winter season, but none of these new flights are seasonal. So, the Summer months should be interesting. This will be the real test for the airlines.
 * Nice to see Delta finally get replace the mad-dogs on this route with an A320! Looks like Delta is going to try to fight to stay in this market.
 * American Airlines used to operate 3X Daily. Looks like they are preparing for lost business with people choosing to fly to FLL instead of Miami with all the new service.
 * Do you think there is enough PAX for all the flights to do well. It doesn't seem like ther is this much demand for this many flights, especially during offseason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.58.92 (talk) 16:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the economy is improving, and these flights should do well. Tofutwitch11 (talk) 13:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * American Airlines 449 2:30PM (737)
 * American Airlines will be adding a second daily flight to Miami, Florida on November 18 using 737 aircraft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.136.241 (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Delta Build-up
Does anybody know why Delta is sudenly making a presesne at Hartford. Is it because of Jetblue anounced service. TheLas Vegas flight seems abit of a reach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.58.92 (talk) 12:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

JetBlue Gate A8
Here is the email conversation had with BDL Marketing agent Stacy Doan about JetBlue's gate.

--Me(lots*************@gmail.com) to Stacy Doan(******@bradleyairport.com)

Goodmorning Stacy,

I was wondering if you happened to know which gates JetBlue and Frontier/Midwest/Rebublic will be operating in.

Thanks!

--Sent July 11 2010, 12:29PM--

--Stacy Doan (*****@bradleyairport.com) to Me (lots*************@gmail.com)

JetBlue will be operating out of Gate 8. I don’t know what gate Frontier will be operating out of.

--Sent July 12 2010, 9:09AM--

So there it is, JetBlue is gate A8, Frontier is unsure yet. Please do not revert from TBD.

Tofutwitch11 (talk) 11:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You'll note that I quit TBD'ing it when an identifiable person was attached to the rumor. That it's just one gate seems more credible.  (Remember gates cost the airlines money; given how cheap off-gate parking is for airlines at BDL, it doesn't make sense for an airline to have more than the bare minimum number of gates they need.)  Of course, BDL being BDL, I'll still only truly believe it when the JetBlue logo goes up. ;)  MikeTheActuary (talk) 13:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I have a feeling that If/When JBU expands service, whether that be down south, or to BOS, JFK, and BVT. (JBU could use BDL as a small hub for those coming from BTV wanting flights down south as it is a hell of a lot easier than JFK or BOS). Anyway, I def. think they will be getting more gates, but there really isn't that many more to get as now that Midwest/Frontier/Rebublic is here, there will be but two open gates. Anyway, we will see what happens. Tofutwitch11 (talk) 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Status of DL's LAX service; Seasonality in general
We seem to have a bit of uncertainty regarding what to call Delta's LAX service, which re-started this summer, re-terminate this September, and which DL has indicated they'll revisit in November. We could say that it's ending, it's being suspended, or label it as seasonal.

WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT doesn't really provide much guidance here, or else I would have made an edit based on those guidelines, and would be defending it. ;)

My personal preference would be to label Los Angeles as [suspended September 30], deleting Los Angeles on October 1, and then returning it if/when DL announces resumption of the service, describing it as [resumes... ].

If Delta got in the habit of running BDL-LAX consistently every late summer/early fall, a pretty strong case could be made to describe it as seasonal. I don't think we're there yet. Delta might be publicly saying the service will be revisited in November, while in reality it's trying different things with scheduling its fleet, to optimize revenue.

The [seasonal] tag, to me at least, implies that service to a given airport reliably exists at the same time every year. A [seasonal] tag makes sense when we have a stable list of markets...and you have to admit that we are pretty, um, aggressive in reflecting the dynamic nature of service to BDL.

And if we used the [seasonal] tag, how would that translate to other markets? Consider Cancún -- it's a seasonal market. Should it be left in the list year-round, described as "Cancún [seasonal]", or should we be capturing the start/stop dates -- e.g. "Cancún [seasonal, resumes (date)]" / "Cancún [seasonal, suspended (date]" / "Cancún [seasonal, currently suspended]" / "Cancún [seasonal, currently operational]" ?

I think WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT implies just using [seasonal]...but then again, WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT also implies a much more stable destination list than we've had on the BDL page.

The entry for ASE, for example, shows various hub destinations as [seasonal] with no hints of frequent edits. That makes sense, given the seasonal nature of demand into ASE, and the predictability that service will exist between ASE and those destinations during the current/future ski seasons.

So, with all that said, I propose describing DL's service to affected destinations as follows:
 * Cancún [seasonal], leaving it up and tagged as seasonal year-round until if/when DL fails to renew it for a winter/spring, or until if/when it is upgraded to year-round.
 * Fort Lauderdale [seasonal], leaving it up and tagged as seasonal year-round, with a similar caveat.
 * Los Angeles [suspended September 30], removing it on October 1, and revisiting it when DL does.

If DL brings LAX back next summer, and re-deletes it next fall, then at that point I'd support keeping LAX in the list year round, tagged [seasonal], just like CUN and FLL.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

MikeTheActuary (talk) 12:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Until it is confirmed by DL, it should remain as "ends September 30"...as the press release states. But November is less than 4 months away, if they decide to restore it then we can readd it. Snoozlepet (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Yankee Terminal Radar Approach Control Page Merger
There are a couple of reasons why I reverted the premature merger: MikeTheActuary (talk) 04:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Mergers generally imply that that at least one page will go away.  Yankee Terminal Radar Approach Control page still exists.
 * 2) Mergers generally occur only after consensus has been reached.  There's been no discussion, much less consensus.
 * 3) WP:AIRPORTS convention seems to be that TRACON is out-of-scope for airport pages.
 * 4) There are other TRACON pages, indicating precedent for Y90 remaining a separate article.  (See Boston Consolidated TRACON, for example.)  Wikilinking/cross-referencing between the two articles seems appropriate.  But if Y90 is notable enough to merit a section on the BDL page, it's notable enough to merit a standalone pages.

Delta BDL-LAS
This flight is still bookable on delta website and as long as it is bookable it should be in this article. Now on septeber 10 if flight does not run then we can take it down. Untill then or it is no longer bookable it should remain in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.58.92 (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems to be back on the Delta Timetables, and for now, it seems to be running. THanks. Tofutwitch11 (talk) 21:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Hartford or Hartford/Springfield
There has been much debate on whether BDL should be listed has Hartford or Hartford/Springfield

I, personally, do not care what we use, but the constant edit war that goes on is getting old. We need to decide which one will be used.

Many of the airlines (JBU, SWA, UAL) market BDL as just Hartford. Many also mark it as Hartford/Springfield.

Which one do you think we should be using? Tofutwitch11 (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Frontier's Gate
Remember folks, the MKE flight is a resurrection of Midwest's old service. Midwest used to share a gate with American. Their use of A27 is not unprecedented; it likely just means that F9 contracted with US to service BDL, since it will be too small a station to justify having dedicated staff. MikeTheActuary (talk) 22:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Delta and Gates A5 + A7
Regarding some of the recent edit skirmishes on Delta's gates:

Per DL website, on 5 December 2010, DAL flights 1014 and 9799 disembarked at gate A5. On 6 December 2010, ASQ flight 5370 is due into A7.

Other queries at other times in the past several weeks have shown A5 and/or A7 being used to deplane one or two late flights each night.

Querying flight statuses at Delta's website has turned up no indication that A5 or A7 are being used to board flights, and the gates are not branded.

In the past, I was pretty aggressive about purging the article of Delta references to A5 and A7 on the grounds that the gates were only being used to park aircraft overnight, and therefore they shouldn't be listed as "Delta gates", in much the same way that we wouldn't list terminal B gates as being assigned to Southwest, or the Post Office ramp being assigned to Delta or Jet Blue.

Now that there are passengers actually walking through the A5/A7 jetways, in the interest of peace and harmony within the community, I would suggest letting the references to A5/A7 stand.

I offer two additional thoughts:

1. Airport employees have said that Delta holds the leases on the former Northwest ticket counters and gates (A5/A7), mostly because Bradley managers won't let them break the lease. Sadly, I haven't been able to find any public/citable references to this situation, as it would go a long way towards clarifying both that A5 and A7 are assigned to Delta and that they are available for future expansion. (I imagine BDL would let DL break the lease if another airline were willing to pay rent for those gates.)

2. With the various edit wars we've had on gates, and the challenges in obtaining publicly available references to gate assignments, is it any wonder that WP:AIRPORTS convention is to not provide gate assignments in articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeTheActuary (talk • contribs) 00:52, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Yankee Terminal Radar Approach Control Merger Proposal
I propose merging Yankee Terminal Radar Approach Control into Bradley's article. While it is notable, it's a part of the airport and really can't stand on its own as an article. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 17:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It is a consolidated TRACON that is not part of the airport, although it may be co-located at the airport. A consolidated TRACON simply cannot be attributed to one airport. However, the article has a quality problem--it doesn't even links to "ATC" or "TRACON". HkCaGu (talk) 18:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed with HkCaGu. Tofutwitch11 - Chat - How'd I do?    20:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree with HkCaGu and Tofuwitch11. Better to clean up the Y90 page. MikeTheActuary (talk) 02:29, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

In that case, can someone please improve the Yankee article? Right now it's (as HkCaGu says) in poor shape. I've already added it to the Air traffic control centers category. Thanks, Markvs88 (talk) 14:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Update J.D. Power Reference
The current article says, "On October 18, 2007, Bradley International Airport was named as one of the top five small airports in the North American Airport Satisfaction Study by J.D. Powers."

The latest J.D. Power (note Power, not Powers) airport customer satisfaction study was from 2010. Bradley did not fare well:

http://www.jdpower.com/travel/ratings/airport-ratings/small/

Please revise as appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.40.245 (talk) 19:30, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Delta Airlines Mainline Routes
I just wanted to clear up some issues with the Delta mainline routes. They are constantly being moved around from year round to seasonal. I checked the Delta airlines schedules for November 2011 here: http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.net/delta/pdfs/flight_schedules.pdf

They do not appear to have Minneapolis or Detroit as seasonal routes. They are very much active as far as I can tell, so for now I think they deserve to be under the year round category. However, I could be wrong but there should be a proper citation or an indicated reasoning to do that.

Thank you DVA7475 (talk) 15:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Wrong. Check mid January. It's purely regional. HkCaGu (talk) 05:38, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * DVA7475, you're wrong. Anything past mid January is all regional until about March/April. Try to book the flights on DL's website, or check them on their downloadable schedule program. T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 20:08, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, thanks for the input. It didn't look like they changed them according to the schedule but thank you, that was all I was after. DVA7475 (talk) 21:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Previous Destinations

 * Albany, NY (Air East, Air Vermont, American Airlines, Bar Harbor Airlines, Business Express Airlines, Continental Airlines, Eastern Airlines, Mall Airways formerly Pilgram Airlines, Pan American World Airways, Trans World Airlines, & US Airways formerly Mohawk Airlines)
 * Amsterdam, Netherlands (Northwest Airlines)
 * Atlantic City, NJ (Gulfstream Airlines & Holiday Airlines)
 * Boston, MA (Air Vermont, Allegheny Airlines, Bar Harbor Airlines, Business Express Airlines formerly Pilgram Airlines, Cumberland Airlines, Delta Airlines formerly Northeast Airlines, Eastern Air Lines, Enterprise Airlines, Mowhawk Airlines, Northeast Express Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Trans World Airlines, & United Airlines)
 * Bridgeport, CT (Business Express Airlines formerly Pilgram Airlines & Crown Airways)
 * Buffalo, NY (Best Airlines, Business Express Airlines, & US Airways formerly Allegheny Airlines)
 * Burlington, VT (Air New England & Business Express Airlines formerly Pilgram Airlines)
 * Columbus, OH (America West Airlines, Delta Airlines, & Enterprise Airlines)
 * Danbury, CT (Crown Airways)
 * Dayton, OH (US Airways)
 * Freeport, Bahamas (Laker Airways)
 * Houston, TX (Continental Airlines)
 * Hyannis, MA (Continental Airlines & Eastern Airlines)
 * Indianapolis, IN (Northwest Airlines)
 * Islip, NY (Air Vermont & Business Express Airlines formerly Pilgram Airlines)
 * Jacksonville, FL (Delta Airlines)
 * Kansas City, MO (Eastern Airlines)
 * Keene, NH (Air New England, Northeast Airlines, & Pilgram Airlines)
 * Lebanon, NH (Business Express Airlines & Northwest Airlines)
 * Los Angeles, CA (American Airlines, Delta Airlines, & United Airlines)
 * Manchester, NH (Bar Harbor Airlines & Business Express Airlines formerly Pilgram Airlines)
 * Memphis, TN (Northwest Airlines)
 * Milwaukee, WI (Frontier Airlines formerly Midwest Airlines)
 * Nashville, TN (American Airlines & Southwest Airlines)
 * Nassau, Bahamas (Carnival Airlines)
 * New Haven, CT (Air East & Business Express Airlines formerly NewAir & Pilgram Airlines)
 * New London, CT (Business Express Airlines formerly Pilgram Airlines)
 * Oranjestad, Aruba (USA 3000 Airlines)
 * Presque Isle, ME (Aroostook Airways)
 * Phoenix, AZ (US Airways formerly America West Airlines)
 * Portland, ME (Bar Harbor Airlines, Delta Airlines, & Northeast Express Airlines)
 * Providence, RI (Air East, Air New England, Business Express Airlines formerly Mall Airways, Eastern Air Lines, Trans East International Airlines, United Airlines, & US Airways)
 * Rochester, NY (Air New England, Best Airlines, Business Express Airlines formerly Mall Airways, & US Airways formerly Mohawk Airlines)
 * Saint Louis, MO, (American Airlines formerly Trans World Airlines)
 * Salt Lake City, UT (Delta Airlines)
 * San Francisco, CA (United Airlines)
 * Scranton, PA (Air Vermont)
 * Syracuse, NY (Business Express Airlines formerly Mall Airways, Empire Airlines, Mowhawk Arilines, Pan American World Airways, Piedmont Airlines, & US Airways)
 * Utica, NY (Mowhawk Airlines)
 * Westfield, MA (Air East)
 * White Plains, NY (Business Express Airlines formerly Mall Airways, Empire Airlines)
 * Worcester, MA (Air Vermont)

The airlines below formerly offered service to cities that other airlines currently offer service from Bradley Airport. The airlines and cities are listed below.
 * Air East (New York NY)
 * Air New England (Cleveland, OH & New York NY)
 * AirTran Airways formerly ValuJet Airlines (Atlanta, GA, Orlando, FL, & Washington DC)
 * American Trans Air (Orlando FL)
 * America West Airlines (Las Vegas, NV)
 * American Airlines (Cleveland OH, Newark, NJ, New York NY, Raleigh, NC, Philadelphia, PA, San Juan, PR, & Washington DC)
 * Bar Harbor Airlines (New York NY)
 * Best Airlines (Cleveland OH, Detroit, MI, & Philadelphia PA)
 * Braniff Airlines (New York NY, Newark, NJ, & Wahsington DC)
 * Business Express Airlines (New York NY, Montreal, QC, Philadelphia PA, Toronto, ON, Washington DC)
 * Carnival Airlines (Fort Lauderdale, FL)
 * Continental Airlines (Baltimore, MD, Cleveland OH, Denver, CO, New York NY, & Newark NJ)
 * Delta Airlines (Baltimore MD, Fort Lauderdale FL, Fort Myers, FL, Las Vegas NV, Miami, FL, Newark NJ, Philadelphia PA, Tampa Bay, FL, & West Palm Beach, FL)
 * Eastern Air Lines (Atlanta, GA, Baltimore MD, Charlotte, NC, Fort Lauderdale FL, Miami FL, New York NY, Newark NJ, Orlando FL, & Tampa Bay FL)
 * Frontier Airlines (Denver CO)
 * Holiday Airlines (Newark NJ)
 * Independence Airlines (Washington DC)
 * Mall Airways (Toronto ON)
 * Midway Airlines (1976-1991) (Philadelphia PA)
 * Midway Airlines (1993-2003) (Raleigh NC)
 * New York Air (New York NY & Washington DC)
 * Northeastern International Airways (Fort Lauderdale FL)
 * Northwest Airlines (Detroit, MI, Minneapolis, MN, Newark NJ, & Washington DC)
 * Pan American World Airways (New York NY)
 * Peoplexpress Airlines (Newark NJ)
 * Piedmont Airlines (1948–1989) (Baltimore MD & Newark NJ)
 * Pilgram Airlines (Montreal QC, New York NY, & Toronto ON)
 * Republic Airlines (1979-1986) (Detroit MI)
 * Southwest Airlines (Philadelphia PA & West Palm Beach FL)
 * Texas International Airlines (Baltimore MD)
 * Trans World Airlines (Chicago, IL, New York NY, & Pittsburgh PA)
 * United Airlines (Cleveland OH, Denver CO, & Pittsburgh, PA)
 * US Airways formerly Allegheny Airlines (Baltimore MD, Cancun, Mexico, Cleveland OH, Detroit MI, Fort Lauderdale, FL, New York NY, Newark NJ, Orlando FL, & West Palm Beach FL)
 * USA 3000 Airlines (Cancun, Mexico & Punta Cana, Dominican Republic ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.242.14.180 (talk) 19:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)