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this article isn't very 'encyclopedic' like — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okitscool (talk • contribs) 03:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

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I believe the information about the person should be updated properly and in neutral tone -now it is very biased, also tagging decent human rights organizations as lobbies, which is clearly not true. Also, we are talking about official lawsuits of rape accusations and tortures, not "complaints" as it is written here: "A complaint was filed against him in 2013 for alleged rape and sexual abuse of Khadijatou Mahmoud Mohamed Zoubeir."

Here is the new version I wrote and in case my edits are reverted once again by the biased editor, I will leave this text as a proof that my edits are:
 * Well-sourced
 * Written in neutral tone - there is no attack on the person here - only facts and new sources.

Here is the text I added once again to the page:

In 2009, the Sahrawi Association for the Defense of Human Rights (ASADEDH), a nonprofit human rights group based in Spain,[9][10] filed a number of lawsuits against Brahim Ghali for alleged torture and military crimes committed during his leadership at Polisario Front.[11][12][13][14][15] The Canary Association of Victims of Terrorism (Acavite) was also involved representing Canary Island workers and fishermen allegedly attacked by the Polisario. [16] Eventually dismissed, the lawsuits were reopened after Ghali's arrival to Spain in 2021 to recover from a critical health state due to COVID-19.[11][17][18] On 19 May 2021, the Spanish Audiencia Nacional summoned Ghali to testify as accused party in the quarrels presented by the ASADEDH and the dissident Fadel Breica; Ghali telematically testified from the Hospital San Millán-San Pedro in Logroño (as he was recovering from COVID-19) on the convened date of 1 June 2021.[19] The Spanish High Court, earlier that day, turned down a request for Ghali to be taken into custody, stating that the plaintiffs in the war crimes case against him had failed to provide evidence he had committed any crime, in the preliminary hearing, also arguing there are no "clear indications of his involvement" in the crimes of which Ghali has been accused.[18][20] Shortly afterwards, Ghali left Spain and landed in Algeria on 2 June 2021,[21] continuing with the less acute phase of his recovery in the Ain El Naaja military hospital in Algiers, where he was visited by Algerian President Abdelmadjid Tebboune.[22] In addition, Ghali was also accused of rape by the Sahrawi woman Khadijatou Mahmoud, who claimed she was raped in 2010 by Brahim Ghali in the embassy of the the Sahrawi Republic (SADR) in Algiers.[23] During that period, Mahmoud worked as a translator in the office of the Prime Minister of the SADR assisting different NGOs engaged in humanitarian aid for the Sahrawi refugee camps in the Tindouf Province, Algeria.[16][24] According to testimony provided by Khadijatou, Ghali, who was the SADR ambassador in Algiers at the time, called her to his office after-hours, and promptly assaulted and raped her once she entered Upon returning to Spain, where she was adopted by the Spanish parents, Khadijatou Mahmoud sued Ghali in 2013 filing a lawsuit with the Spanish Court.[25] According to La Razon, her case was dismissed in 2018 because Mahmoud was not a Spanish citizen and the crime occured in Algeria.[23] However, the case was reopened when Ghali arrived with the diplomatic passport as "Mohamed Benbatouche"[26] at Spain for medical treatment in 2021[27] [28][29] but dismissed again on June 1, 2021.[23][30]


 * References used for the new text:


 * https://www.tercerainformacion.es/articulo/internacional/29/05/2021/manuel-olle-el-abogado-que-logro-el-procesamiento-de-doce-militares-y-policias-marroquies-por-genocidio/
 * https://medafricatimes.com/9865-western-sahara-polisario-new-leader-wanted-by-spanish-justice.html
 * https://atlasinfo.fr/BalanceTonPorc-Khadijatou-Mahmoud-denonce-son-viol-par-le-chef-du-Polisario-Brahim-Ghali_a86531.html
 * http://lnt.ma/proces-a-madrid-contre-des-tortionnaires-du-polisario/
 * https://northafricapost.com/49338-sahraoui-woman-adds-her-voice-to-rape-victims-who-want-polisario-leader-before-justice.html
 * https://www.voanews.com/europe/fresh-dispute-erupts-between-spain-and-morocco-over-western-sahara-leader
 * https://www.rfi.fr/en/international/20210602-polisario-front-leader-brahim-ghali-arrives-in-algeria-after-covid-treatment-in-spain-western-sahara-morocco
 * https://www.eldiario.es/politica/avion-partio-argel-destino-logrono-dio-vuelta-instrucciones-controladores-militares_1_7993875.html
 * https://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20210601/7496512/juez-deja-libertad-gali-falta-indicios.html
 * https://www.reuters.com/world/western-sahara-independence-leader-returns-algeria-amid-spain-morocco-row-2021-06-02/
 * https://www.elperiodico.com/es/internacional/20210602/ghali-hospitalizado-clinica-militar-argel-11787636
 * https://www.humanrightspulse.com/mastercontentblog/breaking-the-omert-sahrawi-woman-continues-her-fight-for-justice-ten-years-after-she-was-raped-by-polisario-leader
 * https://en.yabiladi.com/articles/details/53795/raped-head-polisario-front-khadijatou.html
 * https://www.larazon.es/internacional/20210501/h74tu3dmnvcmrlk2kjuluyq6dq.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=lrzn_org_Sa_12_00
 * https://apnews.com/article/europe-spain-morocco-africa-health-f14419ce2f00ea07b0ac5c1d5c49e83c
 * https://www.reuters.com/world/spain-high-court-issues-war-crime-case-summons-against-polisario-front-leader-2021-05-19/
 * https://www.eupoliticalreport.eu/spain-embarrasses-eu-by-protecting-polisario-head-accused-of-rape/
 * https://www.larazon.es/espana/20210503/jppnybuv4jbqhdzxlataunkzwi.html
 * https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lawyer-polisarios-ghali-ask-spanish-court-drop-war-crimes-case-2021-06-01/


 * In case these edits are reverted, I will ask for the third opinion on the Noticeboard of Appeals to get a more comprehensive evaluation of my edits. 2021 (UTC)--Chartwind (talk) 22:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Piling up a list of sources (including dubious ones) doesn't change the fact that you're not adding anything that isn't already properly covered. It also doesn't explain why you keep removing content without explanation. M.Bitton (talk) 22:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

March
I suggest you refrain from pushing your nationalist POV in this WP:BLP article. The content that you're messing around with has been discussed before and we agreed that it was the best way to present it. If you disagree with, you know what to do and how to achieve consensus. M.Bitton (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Since you keep falsely accusing me of nationalist edits, here i'm going to re-ask the question that you didn't answer yet, what is your definition of nationalist edits? Simoooix.haddi (talk) 21:40, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't have to explain myself to you of all editors, since you personally attacked me (for no reason whatsoever) in your third theoretical edit. M.Bitton (talk) 21:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You have also personally attacked me. Not to mention false accusations of nationalist editing and sockpuppetry.
 * However i'm going to return our subject. Accusations of rape and sexual violence is absolutely not a part of political career!!
 * You said that is already discussed, I can't see any discussion here about that, or at least give me a link. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What a waste of time! I will ignore your usual nonsense.
 * Here's the link. I also suggest you read WP:BLP and WP:ONUS. I'm done here. M.Bitton (talk) 21:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've read both discussions and clearly they were not about my issue here, the discussion you mentioned was about an added content, while now in my case all what i want to do is to dedicate a section to the rape accusation issues (which is already mentioned, i'm not going to add or remove anything), and that is clearly not a part of political career. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 22:31, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You clearly intend to add something (a made up title), so don't play games with me. M.Bitton (talk) 22:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * First of all, you're the actual one who's playing games here since you claimed that the issue is already discussed while it wasn't.
 * Secondly, I meant that I would not add any content as much as I would classify it. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 22:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's like talking to a stone. I suggest you read what has been said properly and don't forget to check the links that I left for you. This is my last comment. M.Bitton (talk) 22:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There you are pesonally attacking me. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 22:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton I have re-read the discussion again and found nothing referring to my point. So i suggest you give me a quotation from the discussion referring clearly to my issue and continue the discussion here, otherwise we need a 3O.
 * Moreover, there is no problem at re-discussing it again even if it was already discussed (which apparently wasn't). Simoooix.haddi (talk) 23:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton Also both WP links you gave doesn't contradict what i'm suggesting. Simoooix.haddi (talk) 17:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Whatever the motivation is, we do need to have consensus and it's not helpful to edit war. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:13, 13 March 2023 (UTC)