Talk:Brainwashing/Archive 4

Opening sentence and paragraph
I think the article needs a better opening sentence and paragraph, that doesn't rely so much on one source.BigJim707 (talk) 12:07, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Mind control? Or Brainwashing?
Should the article be titled "Brainwashing"? That seems to be the name most commonly used over the years, even in the article itself. Redddogg (talk) 22:48, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 8 April 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 14:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Mind control → Brainwashing – This seems to be the most commonly used name for this topic. Even within the article itself and its sources. Redddogg (talk) 22:54, 8 April 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Yashovardhan (talk) 12:36, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Seems like a much clearer name for the subject, "mind control" sounding more science fiction. --McGeddon (talk) 15:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose Undecided . You are right that "brainwashing" is the more common term. However "mind control" seems to be considered a more dignified and more NPOV expression. Keeping the title keeps this article on the general topic of mind control, rather than on the 50s, 60s, and 70s "brainwashing" craze.BigJim707 (talk) 15:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Brainwashing now redirects to Mind Control. It should be the other way around. I would like to see the page broken into more specific subsections: 1950's vintage brainwashing is sufficiently dealt with, but the page does not adequately treat the Stockholm syndrome made famous by the Patricia Hearst incident; or so-called cult indoctrination and deprogramming; and what techniques they have in common ElijahBosley  (talk &#9758;)  20:41, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's odd that Patricia Hearst is not mentioned. I will see what I can do when I have time.BigJim707 (talk) 20:54, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Her article is super-detailed and actually longer than this one. Not sure if one person's case would deserve a section here, but I will put in some kind of mention and link to her article.BigJim707 (talk) 04:52, 11 April 2017 (UTC)


 * For some reason I was not able to move the page. Maybe I was doing it wrong. Redddogg (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You have to wait 7 days.BigJim707 (talk) 08:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a consensus yet. I'm taking a break from WP. Will check back later.Redddogg (talk) 18:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm leaving the closing of this to people who understand the process better than I do. Also taking a break now, like I said.Redddogg (talk) 18:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Common name of the concept as discussed in the article. There is a somewhat different concept of mind control in popular culture where mind control rays or magic spells effect this outcome without using any sort of technique, which could probably use its own article. bd2412  T 00:13, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


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Orwell and Tolkien
If you know the books please compare the Witch King's tirade against Eowyn with the torture scenes from 1984. Ignore the LOTR movies please. BigJim707 (talk) 23:45, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Let us stay to the truth
This "brainwash" thing is made up of conspiracy theorists. It is not present. Not possible. Listen to me! Not possible. It is out of your imagination - if you start to think about it you have that feeling of FIRE and BURN. It is not possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.230.17.215 (talk) 03:47, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

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No information in this article about EM radiation based forms of mind control
Very disappointing.

also, why isn't Mind Control the title, it is preferably to this idiom of brainwashing-- Namaste@ ? 17:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * This article is about serious claims of brainwashing, not about delusions. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 18:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The tech is very real, dont be ignorant and do some research before you comment-- Namaste@ ? 17:07, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Maybe there could be a section on "alternative theories."PopSci (talk) 16:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Not appropriate for this article. There are no reliable scientific sources that say electromagnetic radiation is being/can be used to brain wash someone. For the conspiracy theory, see Electronic harassment. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It's already listed in the see alsos. That works for me.PopSci (talk) 13:33, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Human trafficking section
While this is certainly important information, none of the online sources (there was one other not online) made any claims about brainwashing or mind control. Should this section be in the article?73.93.141.175 (talk) 12:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe find a source that does make that claim.PopSci (talk) 13:34, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Difference (or relationship) between "abusive power and control" and "brainwashing"
How does "brainwashing" relate to abusive power and control? Is one a form of the other, or are they separate but related, or something else? (I've posted a longer version of this question on the other article's talk page). Iapetus (talk) 20:11, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The WP articles on psychological abuse are linked together through these "see alsoes" and other things. It seems like the idea is to help people avoid and/or escape abusive situations.  I don't contribute but support the intentions of those taking part.  If the link is removed it will probably be put back very soon after. PopSci (talk) 16:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

How would I go about including new information?
I'm considering this link: https://www.google.com/patents/US6238333, as I think it is relevant to this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.139.2 (talk) 23:31, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Mind control like to test the reaction of ur partner that u drive how it suppose to be I guess Montaliste smail (talk) 22:56, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm just going to publish this link here because every time I edit Wikipedia I either do it wrong or someone has a problem, so I'll just leave it up to someone else to determine if this should be in here and let them do it (not to sound rude):

https://nypost.com/2021/09/25/house-committee-wants-to-hear-from-rioters-who-stormed-the-capitol/ Netside (talk) 23:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)