Talk:Brat Camp

Race
Other critics point out that the show paints a picture that only white children are bratty. - I think it paints a picture that only white parents don't know how to deal with bratty kids. :-/ John Barleycorn 04:38, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm white, and I think the stereotypes in the article are racist. Scott Gall 07:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I removed the whole Controversy section and the link to the Criticism against brat camp as it is not reliable. This I did with the support of this section of the rules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence Zygnus 21:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's utterly vile that you people regard "Being a bit moody and isolated over that time she was raped when she was 12" as, and I quote "Bratty"

There is plenty of criticism against the program
The show was made to show us Europeans if the american though love concept is a sollution to all our problems with teenagers going out of control.

Instead it has turned into a kind of porn, where the youngster wants 15 minutes of fame and we viewers wants to see their breakdowns as they are tortured. I am not alone with this problem. http://www.slate.com/id/2125096/

I did not make the rasist remarks, but the other points were good enough. In Europe, we do not allow parents to hire a private firm to come and get our child from its own bed in the middle of the night. We do not allow a private firm to handcuff our own child just because the child has broken houserule and not the laws of the society.

So the show did not show reality even though it was a reality show.

If you look on: http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=37&sid=5b2c1aae24fa72084705b442d4cddc9f you will find several people there have been at redcliff at the same time as the brits. Silk gloves were used and only in series 3 we were allowed to see Lucy being tortured for an hour.

The hole concept of brat camp does not deal with deeper lying problems with the children. It only teaches them how to be nice out of pure fear of being sent back. The result was so clear on family brat camp, where a mother did chicken out in the end, because she had to face reality. She wanted to leave the desert - not her child. The parents responsibility is missing in these series.


 * I do not disagree that the show is cruel, but I do disagree with editing articles based on emotions. The neutrality of the link providing the criticism in the former article was non-existent. Again I show to Wikipedia's article about neutrality and reliable source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view Zygnus 09:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * One of the "Brats" was a rape victim.
 * You made this post in 2006? What was the matter with you people? 71.17.56.235 (talk) 03:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Why leave the criticism from one organisation and not from another?
Why is ficausa a poorer source to information than Barnado?

Covergaard 12:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The Boston Globe regarding Brat Camp USA
Why was this removed.

Lack of support after the show endangeres the children (The Boston Globe)

It was a public reaction to the show. Is the Boston Globe not a reliable source?

Covergaard 12:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The use of sick
"Sick" is used three times in this article, each time in connection to a mental disorder. I feel it's at best an unneed redundacy and at worse, a potentially offensive use of a colloquialism. I'm removing it accordingly. FerventDove
 * No prizes for guessing who added in that word. – Steel 01:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Covergaard 05:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "Illness" or "disease" may be a better word? Normally such things as depression would be treated at the local hospital if it is so severe that it effects people life.
 * "Depressed" is a far more specific (and thus meaningful) description than "sick" or "ill" or "diseased." Generic words like "sick" or "ill" could mean almost anything (influenza, cancer, AIDS, heart defects, etc., etc.).--orlady 15:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is the wrong link to depression. If you see the resume here Brat Camp - Episode 4 - Very sad episode!, you will notice that Lexie was raped when she was about 11. (If you watch the show, that is what she claims. I have it on DVD.) Mentally illness is considered shameful in some environment which caused her to be banished to the wilderness when the effect of being raped did show, so she could not embarrass her family. After the show she was sent to some lockdown environment (disguised boarding school) Brat Camp Season Finale - Success Rate 8 out of 9 kids!! - Episode 7 where she should be for an unknown period instead of being with her family. A little overkill for a light depression. Covergaard 17:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * While this maybe considered "overkill" it is common at the SageWalk program for the kids to go on to another placement, even if SageWalk was the first step, i.e. no previous psychiatric or criminal encounters. The program offers two plans which are picked before the child is "enrolled": one in preperation for another, often long term placement, and then the "family reunification plan". (http://www.sagewalk.com/programs.htm) This is in either 30 or 60 days in length, respectively. FerventDove 08:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, Long term placement is either an argument for exploitation of the parents or an argument for that the depression is the severe clinical one. If it was mood depression we are talking about, the right solution would be medication and local treatment by a psychologist or a psychiatrist. So the link is definite wrong.

Covergaard 18:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

American brat camp seems to be comprised of kids with problems like PTSD and ADD, which they can't help and need tretment with like ecstasy and ritalin respectavely, but when i was a kid the psychiatrist said i didnt have ADD i was just evil and if you gave me ritalin i would probably abuse it or deal it.

Jemma Henley
Isn't she working as the professional model Lexie Logan? She has appeared in a number of magazines. JohanGraham (talk) 21:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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