Talk:Bratva

For a May 2005 deletion debate over this page see Votes for deletion/Bratva

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People, wait with your movement! Give me a month for expanding. AlexPU


 * Good, the article is growing but I do not understand why is it mentioned as primarily Ukrainian, it's Russian term for gangsters, and I did not know before that it was used in Ukraine. Gnomz007 20:23, 22 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Hello, it's not Ukrainian it's Russian, please, don't get me wrong, but stating that it is "Ukrainian term for Ukrainaian mafia" is just incorrect, it is a term used in Russia and Ukraine, it's just what you may hear it in your own context(like accusations against Yanukovych), while I keep hearing about '&#1055;&#1080;&#1090;&#1077;&#1088;&#1089;&#1082;&#1072;&#1103; &#1073;&#1088;&#1072;&#1090;&#1074;&#1072;' (mafia of St.Petersburg), '&#1084;&#1077;&#1089;&#1090;&#1085;&#1072;&#1103; &#1073;&#1088;&#1072;&#1090;&#1074;&#1072;' (local mafia), etcetera ad nauseum. Gnomz007 00:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * From what I know I believe it is of Ukranian origin (much like the Mafia from Sicily or the Neopolitan Camorra in Italy) although is a branch of Russian organized crime from the Soviet Union. 64.12.116.197 21:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Bratva is an old Russian term for "camaraderie". Its bandit usage came into circulation only in late Soviet Union. By no means it is a "branch". In any case, this usage is a neologism in Russian and the usage is not stabilized. In many cases I am aware, bratva specifically refers to bands involved in violent business, like extrotion, "protection" (from extortion by other bandits) called krysha ("Roof" in Russian), etc. the current article is very naive, but I don't have enough knowledge to fix it: I am more than 10 years behind the developments in former Soviet Union.  mikka (t) 22:36, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I sorted it to ukraine-stub because the first line says "Bratva is a Ukrainian term ...". Feel free to both restub it to russia-stub and fix the first line. --ScottDavis 09:10, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Merger
Support no reason to maintain two articles on the Russian mafia. - the.crazy.russian   τ   ç   ë  14:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)