Talk:Bravo (magazine)

Sexually Explicit Content
The website for this magazine is like reading a smut novel and contains child pornography by any culture's standards. Naked teens from 16 to 18 doing a photo spread of how to perform sexually intense positions in the interest of forming stronger and more educated relationships is one thing, but a recent article on the website dealt with a 16 year old girl turning to an experimental lesbian relationship with a mutual friend of her and her 17 year old ex-boyfriend in order to win him back. The whole fantasy, part of an on going photo love project, was cooked up by some guy named Mark P. Theil who I imagine is a 30/40 something man trying to make a fast, greedy Euro or two. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.bravo.de/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbravo%2Bmagazine%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7DKUS

Will someone in Germany or Poland please tell me just how accepted this sort of thing is in the mainstream media? I've been to Germany a few times and I've seen the sex shops in the middle of downtown Müchen. However, media directly targeted at German children, because yes a 16 year old is a child whether you are from the Protestant tradition of the Americas or not, like this confuses me almost as much as how the German people could have submitted themselves to the rule of Nazis. How could any parent submit their child for these sorts of spreads, which from what I understand is required for any model under 18?

Maybe it's just culture shock as I am American, but I still want to understand before I have to cope.

KNexus

67.142.130.34 (talk) 17:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it is just a cultural difference. The showing of nudity is much more usual in Germany than in the USA. Not only in the Bravo but also in weekly magazines as "Der Spiegel" (a magazine comparable to "The Times") or "Stern" and other medias. About Bravo: This is a magazine for readers from age 12-14 to 18. In this age normally happen the first experiences with sexuality and so this is surely part of a magazine for teenagers apart from music, stars, movies etc.. --Simie (talk) 14:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

KNexus, the article you refered to wouldn't likely be considered obscene by the US courts and could run in US publications without legal challenge if a publication wished to do so. Is it the naked self-shot pictures of smiling older teens in Bravo you are primarily opposed to or the content of some of the articles? Bravo has been known for decades for regularly running a few nonpornographic pictures involving softcore nudity, set in nonviolent, consensual, sometimes sexual situations, involving older minors (16-18 typically). There are publications in the United States on and off the internet with the same sexually explicit content, without the pictures, and there's not even a hint of a legal challenge against them because they're not obscene and if it matters many of them serve a valid educational purpose. I know this argument has been made over and over again, but it seems odd to read complaints like this from fellow Americans who live in a country that allows mainstream distribution of ultra-violent genres of video entertainment, dubbed by enthusiasts as "splatter films" and "torture porn" but considers photos like Bravo runs to be pornographic or somehow contributing to the delinquency of minors. Yes, many of the most violent films are supposedly marketed and rated for adults only but there's a long history of films like that involving older adolescents like high school students -- most of whom are minors -- in explicitly violent horror films and they are popular among many young people, including minors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it just the editorial content of articles like what you referred to in Bravo which concern you, or the photos as well? I don't intend to reply but not because I mean to ignore you or put you down for your feelings, I think only brief comments like this on the discussion page are appropriate. We're not debating whether Bravo is obscene or not but getting a better insight into how it's received in Germany and elsewhere is relavent. --concerned student


 * It is true that a 16-year-old, as well as a 12-year-old and for that matter a 41-year-old, is bound to general morality, whether you are from the tradition of American Protestantism or not. It is also true that the morality of this magazine may very well - to say little - be questioned on a Christian background, whether it is American Protestantism or not.
 * It is, however, simply not true that a 16-year-old is a child (in the moral sense) in any tradition whatsoever. Not, I'd dare say, around here. We may, if we stick to traditional morality, wish for them to hold to the same traditional morality (as much as anyone else). And there may be differences in positive law compared with older persons (but not necessarily the same as in America, and you were not speaking about positive law in any case). But as for the rest, we consider a 16-year-old physically developed to adulthood; we may condemn his posing as pornography, but will reserve the harsh condemnation implied in the word "child pornography" for pornography including real children.--2001:A60:1566:E01:390F:8273:1283:DD22 (talk) 18:49, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

International Versions
I might be wrong, but this magazine also has at least Spanish and Portuguese versions. When I lived in Portugal, I used to read it all the time (and I don't remember seeing anything inadequate in it). Here's a link to the Portuguese one http://www.bravopt.com/ --Eurogirl (talk) 12:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there's at least a Czech language version being sold in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. One can buy it everywhere here. Jancikotuc (talk) 07:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

statistics
". Today the magazine sells around 460,379 copies of each issue (Q4 2006).[2]" - Okeh, there is a source, but, still, to use the word "around" and then give such an exact large fiture strikes me as, well, strange. Kdammers (talk) 08:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Dubious
The magazine is hardly known outside of Germany so how can possibly be controversial? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 (talk) 01:10, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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