Talk:Bravo November

Article title
I would suggest that this article should be renamed Boeing Chinook ZA718 in line with other individual RAF aircraft articles. ZA718 was only BN during the 1980s certainly in recent years it has operated as EQ and was certainly not painted as BN for the recent DFCs. MilborneOne (talk) 21:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Is there any reason that this is a separate article and not just a section within Boeing Chinook (UK variants)? - Ahunt (talk) 00:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that, unlike "other" individual RAF aircraft this particular one has such a rich history that it warrants its own page. No other Chinook that I am aware of has quite the following that this particular one has. There have been at least two documentaries made about her (one radio Radio 4, Its My Story, one TV) as well as numerous mainstream press articles, not to mention the dozens of web articles an tribute sites.


 * In addition I think that the name "Bravo November" is an appropriate article name as it is the name by which this particular aircraft is known. They even have a replica honouring it at the RAF Museum. The exhibit was opened by retired Air Chief Marshal Sir Richard Johns on the 25th anniversary of the Falklands war. He said that "Bravo November is a hugely significant aeroplane to the RAF... The RAF almost never singles out individual aircraft for tribute. But Bravo November is exceptional."Mail Online 18th July 2009


 * The RAF themselves refer to her as "Bravo November" and state that she is "the RAF's Most Famous Chinook"RAF Museum - Bravo November - the RAF's Most Famous Chinook Builark 00:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Concur with the rename, as "Bravo November" is ambiguous. Also, ACM Sir Johns also called the helicopter an "aeroplane", but that does not make it one! - BilCat (talk) 23:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * If that is the case then please tell me why the following aircraft are not also "ambiguous" - N269VA - 41-24301 - N-X-211 - B-29-36-MO 44-27297 - NX37602 - B-17F-10-BO, 41-24485 - B-29-45-MO, 44-86292. It would seem from these examples that there is a precedent already set for naming articles about famous aircraft after their "nickname" or colloquial/common name. To quote the RAF themselves "The most famous of the RAF's Chinook helicopters is ZA718, known more usually (emphasis mine) by its two-letter identity code - 'Bravo November'."RAF Museum - Bravo November If the article must be renamed then might I suggest Bravo November (ZA718) might be an alternative. Builark 11:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I never said it was the only ambiguous title, as you well know. The examples you give are actual names in five case, not code words that can have other uses. Two of the articles are named for their manufacturer and aircraft type name, as per the WP:AIR/NC naming conventions. (Hughes H-4 Hercules, not Spruce Goose. Most of the others are named per the conventions too. - BilCat (talk) 11:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * My point being that all these aircraft are known by their "name" rather than their ID or registrastion mark, some of which are no more than "nicknames". True, "Bravo November" is the radio alphabet code for the "BN" part of the original registration ZA718/BN, however, when the pilots, fans and even the RAF refer to her as just "Bravo November", when the exhibit at the RAF museum is caled "Bravo November" I would suggest it has become more than just a "code word", it has, it fact, become that particular aircrafts given name. As I said before If the article must be renamed then might I suggest Bravo November (ZA718) might be an alternative. Builark 13:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Just a minor point Bravo November is not a callsign or part of a registration/serial number it was just a squadron code allocated to ZA418, which can change when the aircraft changes squadron. Which is why it is now "Echo Quebec" ! MilborneOne (talk) 12:53, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Which really proves the point, as this aircraft is still known as "Bravo November" by the RAF. Builark 14:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Replacement door
I have removed the following text from the page as I cannot find a citation for it and the text was slightly confused. None of the references discuss using a replacement door off any Argentine aircraft.

"Shortly after landing the Argentinian ground crew saw that Bravo November had no co-pilot door. The ground crew admired Bravo November as they had known Bravo November was the sole survivor of the Atlantic Conveyor incident; they respected the British Chinook's ability to continue even without the correct equipment and ground crew. The Royal Air Force ground crew took off the co-pilot door of the Argentinian Chinook and screwed it onto the British Chinook. Bravo November carries the Argentinian door to this day. "

If anyone can find a suitably reliable source then please feel free to add it back. Please make sure to clarify though which ground crew fitted it though. Thanks, Woody (talk) 20:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

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