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There are various different ethnic groups among Brazilians in the first place, so i'm not sure how much sense the term "Brazilian American" makes.

For example, many Brazilians are of Portuguese descent (Portuguese Brazilians).

Gringo300 22:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not about ethnic groups, but nationalities. -- 201.69.181.201 08:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Source?
It says there are 800,000 Brazilian Americans. I tried to find a source, but found no mention of it anywhere else. The Census Bureau does have the figure of 181,000 from the 2000 Census. SamEV (talk) 08:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

And of 346,000 from the 2006 ACS. SamEV (talk) 19:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Slightly off topic, it is interesting to note that North-American emigration to Brazil also happened in the XIX century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americana%2C_S%C3%A3o_Paulo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.79.173 (talk) 02:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

They are American Brazilians consisting mostly of the Confederados. M5891 (talk) 21:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Astoria QUeens
Thats another Brazilian spot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.226.30 (talk) 21:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Brazilian americans?
I removed some names that made no sense in this lists since they were non-USA related BRAZILIAN personalites - thus being nonsense to call them "brazilian AMERICAN", since they were neither born in the US nor seem to have the american citizenship: Emerson Fittipaldi, Gisele Bündchen, Bidu Sayão —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.32.149.232 (talk) 02:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The same seems to go for Sonia Braga, Sergio Mendes and Bebel Gilberto (who was at least born and resides in the U.S.), at least according to their English and Portuguese Wikipedia entries. Well, aren't all Brazilians Americans? --91.32.70.122 (talk) 00:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Names are commonly added to this type of article on the basis of residence, too. But lately, I think that current residence should be required. It was on that basis that I removed Carmen Miranda recently, but I made no check all the other names.
 * We need more guidance from Wikipedia, but last time I checked there were no definitive answers. I'll have another look soon to see whether or not that's changed. SamEV (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

There must be a better example than Paula Abdul for the header...
Paula Abdul is hardly Brazilian American. Her father was born in Syria, her mother is Canadian. Her father only lived in Brazil awhile before moving to the U.S., but as Paula herself was not born or raised in Brazil, and neither of the parents were born in Brazil, she has no Brazilian ancestry. She has Syrian and Canadian ancestry and the coincidence that at one point one of her parents lived in Brazil for a while. My dad lived in Russia for a while, I don't claim to be part Russian.

I know you want to put big named celebs in the header to attract people, but there has to be other notable examples, better examples of Brazilian Americans that actually have some real Brazilian heritage; either born there, lived there a significant amount of time, or had their parents born there (none of which apply to Paula Abdul).24.190.34.219 (talk) 14:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

What the hell is Maiara Walsh doing as an example of Brazilian Americans? O.o

Seriously, this article needs clean up. Now ban my IP address again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsoekekormnio3 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Brazilian and Caribbean Americans?
Why Brazilians are included in this topic?

'Latinos' are known as people from HISPANIC countries, although Brazil is not one, if it was considered by cultural latin origin, people from Canada, France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Romania and others must be also considered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenobrunelli (talk • contribs) 00:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Differences between European and Brazilian Portuguese
I wonder if this vocabulary difference and the "softer" pronounciation are the main differences between BP and EP. Firstly, what's the concept of a "softly" spoken language? Secondly, both have quite similar standard forms, but their vernacular have many differences, i.e. the use of certain objective pronouns and verb tenses. For more, have a check on European Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.112.64.228 (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Brazilians pronounce unstressed vowels more clearly than the Portuguese (if this needs to be cited, it could be Paulo Rónai's Como Aprendi o Português e Outras Histórias). This is the main phonetic difference between BP and EP that can be expressed in a short sentence. I don't think it makes any sence to call this a "softer" pronunciation. Ninguém (talk) 14:12, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Section "removal"
Any objection to the list here of Notable Brazilian Americans being removed (ie all the names removed), with just the link to the list article remaining? ive checked, and all names and references are duplicated at the List of Brazilian Americans. My main rationale for this is to avoid the two lists migrating apart, as people add to one but not the other. i just added a whole bunch of names to the list, but not here, so the lists are now migrating. If people want to have perfect duplication, i will copy them over, but i wont be able to watch both lists in the future, as i have a life of sorts outside WP.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I object, because I take the purpose of a "Notables" list (whether in this sort of article or in articles about cities, provinces/states, etc) to be like that of any prose section: to provide an abridged look at content that may have its own main article. So, if the job of a section is to provide a sample of content found in a larger, standalone page, divergence is the norm, not a problem.
 * However, one improvement might be to occassionally swap out some of the names; I'd prefer that the most notable names remain listed in the notables section permanently.
 * Besides, I don't think that a separate list article would be visited by most readers of this article. SamEV (talk) 23:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC); 05:07, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

There were Jewish-Brazilians in NY in the 17th century: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/heritage/episode7/documents/documents_1.html

Please, be sure that your contribution to the article is accurate, from a trustworthy source, properly written, and not off-topic.
I just tried to remove 3 sections that were very poorly written, vague, based on a dubious source and, specially, off-topic since they discussed mainly illegal immigrants and not Brazilian Americans (American citizens who are from Brazil or have Brazilian heritage). Unfortunately they keep being ressucitaded. There is much to say about Brazilian Americans, but until someone can write something serious its better to don't fill in the spaces with off-topic facts from questionable sources.

Kittygalore123 (talk) 08:07, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Camila Alves...
...should be removed from the image montage. There is no reference that I can find verifying that she is "American" - being married to a US citizen doesn't make you American.--ukexpat (talk) 20:22, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Religion: LDS Minority
A user removed my edit to include followers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints under the list of minority religions of Brazilian Americans. It is a list that includes "Irreligion, Spiritism, Candomblé, Quimbanda, Umbanda, Buddhism, Judaism," all of which are fewer in number than the more than 1.2 million members of the LDS Church in Brazil. . Latter Day Saints are not typically regarded as Protestants, and as such deserve special recognition in light of their separate identity and large population. Two figures profiled in the Wikipedia article, David Neeleman and Roberto Rey, have either membership or known associations with the LDS Church.

yoni (talk) 05:41, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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Jewish-Brazilians in NY in the 17th century
There were Jewish-Brazilians in NY in the 17th century: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/heritage/episode7/documents/documents_1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.42.217.153 (talk) 18:20, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I will see if there is a way we can insert this into the article. Thank you for sharing! yoni (talk) 05:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * After review of additional sources on "Jewish Brazilians" in New York in the 1600s, I have concluded that I do not believe that they should be added to this particular article. It appears as though the "Jewish Brazilians" of the 17th century, were in fact Sephardi Jews, who simply arrived from The Netherlands via Dutch Brazil. It is also important to note that New York was in fact New Amsterdam in the 17th century. It is unlikely that the "Jewish Brazilians" possessed any ethnic attributes that the layman would associate with modern Brazil. I believe that this article's focus should be on immigrants, dual nationals, and Americans of Brazilian descent, and not the earliest shifts in colonial populations. I think that this would be better expanded upon in articles about Dutch colonialism and New Amsterdam. (The PBS source link is dead). yoni (talk) 05:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

https://web.archive.org/web/20160220054430/http://www.brasa.org/wordpress/Documents/BRASA_IX/Ann-Wainer.pdf Ir para cima ^ http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and-statistics/country/brazil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryard (talk • contribs) 22:20, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

a maioria era colono holandes calvinista nada tinha de judeu as lapides judias com sobrenomes tugas antigos só estão melhor preservadas por que o cemiterio judaico era menor e minorico — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.154.77.70 (talk) 17:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of sourced content
There has been spate of rollbacks by User:RichardWeiss to the articles, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , and. These have been undone, since: If you wish to engage in constructive behavior (e.g. questioning the validity of sources), a good place to start would be on the talk pages of the respective articles. Resorting to random drive-by reverts is generally considered unhelpful. Thanks.
 * the editor failed to provide any rationale
 * the editor deleted sourced content

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.252.4.106 (talk) 11:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The same highly controversial paragraph has been spammed into 16 different articles. I don't consider the encyclopedia.com source reliable, the article dabs are very poor and the whole paragraph bordering on racist. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 15:35, 15 August 2018 (UTC)