Talk:Brazilian cruzeiro

Requested move
*support. Usual disambiguation is with (currency). Markussep 10:08, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Is there a reason not to call it simply cruzeiro, like franc? There should be a dab header: For the sports club.... Septentrionalis 15:11, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, that would be better. Markussep 11:31, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * actually, franc is not comparable. It is about the denomination, not about a specific franc. For specific francs, see French franc, CFA franc, etc. (see my vote below) Ingrid 19:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Support cruzeiro, after duly weighing up the pros and cons of giving precedence to a defunct currency over a still-active sports team. The cruzeiro was in use for a long time, not just one of your five-year deals like the inti or the austral. –Hajor 20:40, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Support and make a disambiguation page, which includes the currency and the sports team. --Angelo 19:10, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * opposed There is an active poll at the numismatics project about how to name specific currency pages consistently. There is also a discussion about creating a new numismatics naming convention. Either way, we've requested that pages not be moved until consensus is reached. Ingrid 19:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Introduction
What was the exchange rate between the old reis and the Cruzeiro at its introduction? Nik42 08:15, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

On the subject of the Cruzeiro symbol and the Unicode table
Regardless of what the Unicode table says, Brazil has never used the symbol " &#8354; " for this currency. There's no document from the Brazilian Central Bank and the Casa da Moeda that support the use of this symbol. The correct representation of the currency is "Cr$"! zanderredux 12:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * [[image:Cruzeiro_Sign.JPG|thumb|right]]Microsoft seems to think it is the symbol. There are other references it to it on the web, as well. --Primetime 04:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've never seen this symbol used anywhere, either. I can't understand why Microsoft would include it in their character map. Alr 00:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I have seen that symbol in old texts, but always together with a dollar sign (with one ot two strokes). See the section  below. Jorge Stolfi (talk) 01:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Requesting move to individual articles
The 3 Cruzeiros are distinct currencies with different ISO codes, ranging over 50 years of systematic changes. In the case of the Cruzeiro Novo, it's even got a different name! Every other currency of Brazil has its own article, and I believe each of the Cruzeiros should as well. I believe having a single article for multiple currencies is flawed, among other reasons, because:


 * The infobox only supports 1 currency, and it is currently being used for the Cruzeiro Novo, in detriment of the other two currencies;
 * As each section grows (for each independent currency), the article will eventually become unnecessarily long and "broad";
 * Because each currency is nested inside 1. History, and has its own 2nd level subheading, the body of each Cruzeiro can only contain subheadings of levels 3–6, which is somewhat limiting.

I propose the creation of individual articles for each currency, and the usage of this page as a sort of disambiguation page, with general information about "Cruzeiro" currencies in general, with wikilinks to each of the specific articles. This should avoid breaking wikilinks currently pointing here. — Avelludo 01:30, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Since there were no complaints to this for the last ~3 months, I've gone ahead and created an article for the first cruzeiro, currently at Brazilian cruzeiro (1942–1967). I'll be creating the other few as soon as I can.
 * Beyond the points laid out above, I've realised this is also in line with Portuguese Wikipedia's treatment of the Brazilian cruzeiros – i.e. a main article (at pt:Cruzeiro (moeda)) for the general concept of cruzeiro currencies, and individual articles for each specific one (e.g. pt:Cruzeiro (1942–1967)).
 * In any case, I'm still open for discussion on this. Hopefully this is harmless enough that it doesn't ruffle anyone's feathers. — Avelludo 21:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

The cruzeiro symbol
The symbol "₢" was indeed used in Brazil. A "₢" key was available on some typewriters (upper right, next to the "$") and probably in some metal font sets. However, the 1942 law that created the new currency specifies that amounts should be preceded by "Cr $", with a dollar sign. Since that HTML is a transcription it is possible (but unlikely) that the symbol in the original printed text was "Cr", "₢", or "₢$". But it was hardly if ever written just "Cr" or "₢", without the dollar sign. See for example this cover and. (Popular usage often drops parts of symbols, but hardly adds them.) Jorge Stolfi (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)