Talk:Brazilian cuisine/Archive 1

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The article is completely vandalized. I'll clean it up as best as i can, with the few time i have right now, basically reverting to an older version, keeping the format balance. There's certainly room for (a lot of) improvement, not only in the format, but specially, if i may suggest, creating a section about rice, with is the base "accompaniment" (forgive my english here, hope this is understandable) of almost all brazilian very different regional cuisines, and the bean, which in a lesser extent is too part of almost all the several regional cuisines, but, for being remarkably present in the most evident ones, such as the "Bahian" cuisine, receive more importance than rice, which, in my humble opinion, seem to be more present in peoples life's, although that's completely arguable.--T. Flask 09:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I've never seen diced tomatos and/or black olives in the Brazilian rice recipe... (I am Brazilian, and I've travelled all over Brazil).


 * Vary to state from state, I'm already eat the "Greece Rice" in São Paulo, countaining tomatoes and black olives. --Mateusc 20:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I am also brazilian and have never heard of adding diced tomatoes and/or black olives. I know spanish rice has diced tomatoes added, but not brazilian. Should we remove that from the article ? --65.34.26.230 19:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Once on the Cosby Show, they had some Brasilian food that I really want to try/read about. I think it was called... Pompete? Some kind of potato-filled sausage. ^_^

I lived in Brazil for years, in a number of different cities around the country, and my wife is Brazilian. Neither of us has ever heard anyone refer to brown beans as "carioquinha". The only name I've ever heard them called is "feijao carioca".


 * I'm from São Paulo and I can confirm we refer to brown beans as "feijão carioquinha".

Self-services
Do they really call them "self-services" in Portuguese? How is that pronounced? -- Beland 02:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I live in Brasília and we do use the English word, but usually in the singular form and with a strong local accent. We'll often say "restaurante self-service" and if the plural is required, "restaurantes self-service". The L in "self" sounds more like a U, the first E in "service" sounds like the E in elder. The R sounds like a (non silent) H. --Dedachan 00:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Largest Immigrant Group in São Paulo
The article states that São Paulo cuisine shows the influence of several immigrant groups, primarily from Portugal and, then, from "Italy, Japan, the Middle East, and other countries." I believe that order is factually wrong. Italians were actually the largest immigrant group in São Paulo (and, indeed, Brazil as a whole) in the 1880-1930 period, surpassing the Portuguese in numbers. In fact, even taking into account Portuguese settlement in the colonial and imperial periods (16th-19th centuries), I suspect the total aggregate number of Italian immigrants who settled in São Paulo is still greater than the total number of Portuguese nationals who entered the state. Keep in mind that São Paulo was basically a backwards and underpopulated village during most of the colonial period, inhabited mostly by native Amerindians and white/Amerindian "mestizos". Most of the white, colonial Luso-Brazilian population actually settled north of São Paulo in the bigger coastal cities like Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, and Recife. Even during the peak of recent European immigration into Brazil (last quarter of the 19th century through the first half of the 20th century), a substantial percentage of newly-arrived Portuguese immigrants actually went to Rio de Janeiro rather than São Paulo. Not surprisingly, Portuguese influence is much stronger in Rio, as seen for example not only in cuisine, but also in the phonology of "carioca" Portuguese (the dialect of the city of Rio de Janeiro), which sounds much closer to European Portuguese than other Brazilian Portuguese dialects.

In any case, the white Brazilian population in São Paulo is mostly of mixed Italian, Portuguese, Syrian-Lebanese and, to a lesser extent, Spanish origin. In fact, it is very common for white middle-class "paulista" families to have ancestors from one or more (sometimes two or three) of those ethnic groups. Since all those groups share to a certain extent a Mediterranean-like diet, Mediterranean influence is unsurprisingly very strong in São Paulo cuisine, mixed however with Asian influence (coming mostly from the Japanese immigrants) and also influenced by the dietary habits of the original colonial "mestizo" population (based on pork, beans, etc.). Mbruno 17:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Anyway, this article is about cuisine, not about immigration. There are infinitely more Chinese restaurants in Brazil than Japanese ones (and, so, Asian influence (in cuisine) is not mostly Japanese, but mostly Chinese), altough the opposite is true about people of each origin. I don't think Portuguese immigrants influenced cuisine in São Paulo that much, but, as anywhere in Brazil, immigrant influence is secondary, and traditional colonial cuisine is more important. The staple food in São Paulo is rice-and-beans, not pasta. Darnit, not even the name for "pasta" is Italian; it is "massa" - a quite trivial Portuguese word - in Brazil, São Paulo included. And, of course, there is an enormous influence of French cuisine, completely disproportional (and indeed unrelated) to any French immigration. And those fantasies about immigrant influence in Brazilian Portuguese are baseless; languages don't change like that, and the Portuguese spoken in Rio de Janeiro is quite different from European Portuguese - in some important sences, even farther apart from it than the Portuguese spoken in São Paulo. Ninguém (talk) 13:53, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Feijoada
Isn't feijoada the national dish of Brazil? And if that is so, shouldn't it be mentioned at the top? It gets a very brief mention as a regional dish. Is that a distortion? NaySay 18:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you make a good point and I have added this. Zarcadia (talk) 19:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Sweets
I would suggest mentioning sweets like cocada, goiabada, pé de moleque, rapadura and doce de leite (dulce de leche in neighbouring countries). There are also dark sweets made of banana, commonly sold in the Northeast, usually in small candy wrappers. Its name is probably something as trivial as "doce de banana", though I also know a more elaborate banana dessert and may have them confused. There's also one made either of potato or sweet potato, sold in large rectangle chunks, similar to a rapadura, but softer and lighter in colour (I remember seeing it in Sergipe). Sorry if I'm rambling but does this ring a bell to anyone? Also, sweets like brigadeiro and cajuzinho are extremely popular at birthday parties. Pão de mel also comes to mind, though I'm not sure if they're Brazilian or of foreign origin, nor do I know the origin of rabanada, which is similar to a french toast and traditionally served during Christmas. Clearly I'm no expert so anyone else feel free to write! --Dedachan 00:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I created a very complete desserts session full of usefull links and it was deleted by some a**hole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.110.70.55 (talk) 10:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Empada
In this article it states that empada were "delicious" to me this sounds kind of POV but considering i've never had them i wouldn't know. New Order (talk) 21:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Needed edits
Why is there no sections that include Brazilia?--Louis 14:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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Popular dishes section
I am removing the part that says that "Traditionally olive oil is poured over the pizza, but in some regions people enjoy ketchup, mustard and even mayonnaise on pizza – on Rio de Janeiro, for instance, a server might be surprised if someone asks for olive oil instead of ketchup, more traditional regionally.[13]" because the reference is both not reliable (a blog) and not available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.142.50.36 (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Large-scale aviaries ??
This really makes no sense, in English ?

What does it mean, battery chicken farms ?

It's hard to believe that Brazilians got that idea from Japan, the US,  surely ? Lathamibird (talk) 04:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

"Caldo de ovos" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Caldo de ovos and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 26 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 22:27, 26 January 2022 (UTC)