Talk:Breakbeat hardcore/Archive 1

Grounds for deletion
As far as I know - and there are no credible sources that contradict me - "Breakbeat Hardcore" is not a common term used to describe the music that is referenced in this article. Instead "Old Skool Rave" may be the point of reference, but at the same time this is not limited to derivatives of the breakbeat genre. I believe this page is more likely to be a source of misinformation for those learning about UK rave culture than it could ever be useful whilst there are larger pages describing the movement and its music. Considering updates for this page have been dormant for a long period of time and the subject is not grounded in being entirely credible as a concept, I would like to suggest that this page is deleted and instead is turned in to a redirect for "Rave music". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.11.150 (talk) 08:40, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Untitled
"During mid-late 1994, breakbeat hardcore re-emerged as happy hardcore or 4-beat which combined the manic synths with a faster, techno based beat, and happier, commercial tunes. By around 1996, most 4-beat had dropped the breakbeats, and most drum and bass had dropped the techno style synth stabs, leaving the two sounds almost entirely different. Important artists include Acen, Micky Finn, Nicky Blackmarket, Two Bad Mice, Nookie"

It looks, by the way this is laid out, that Acen et. al. are being labelled happyhard artists and I'm sure that Acen was not. In fact, Acen's entry indicates that he worked in breakbeat hardcore. Perhaps the final sentence needs a paragraph of its own - I have done this.

--Thedangerouskitchen 12:02, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Old Skool re-hashes?
I think it's relevant to note that while not a 'comeback' of any description, modern Hardcore/freeform music continues to draw on the popularity of the 'cheezy' style of Old Skool tracks and Old Skool styled remixes of breakbeat hardcore tracks are still being produced as well as new songs designed to 'bring back/return to the old skool'. Ahem.

True, most of these draw much more from the style of the late 90s but since most of THOSE were drawing on the original breakbeat hardcore concept in the first place, it kind of leads down the same road, doesn't it? freshgavin 15:56 2005 07 15

London
is mentioned too many times. breakbeat/hardcore wasn't just a london thing. The better sounds of hardcore were coming out from everywhere. It's largly agreed that the better/more popular sounds were coming out of non-london record lables. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.147.212 (talk) 22:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

UK hardcore
Beware of the confusing UK Hardcore folks. This is a trance-like style with no real connection to breakbeat hardcore. It owes more to club trance if anything. New "breakbeat hardcore" music has emerged due to the dislike of "UK Hardcore". Breakbeat hardcore is more with jungle, drum n bass and old dark/happycore. --Revolt 08:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

UK Hardcore evolved from happy hardcore which in turn evolved from breakbeat hardcore so it does have a connection and a limited few new uk hardcore tracks have elements of the old breakbeat hardcore sound.

82.37.224.143 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 01:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Rave?
Breakbeat hardcore is not exclusively known as rave music. Look at the article. I will soon delete the statement. DubCrazy (talk) 04:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)DubCrazy

By the simple minded, it is... in the same way that "Happy Hardcore" was. To be fair though, breakbeat hardcore was a massive element of rave music around 1991-1992. Then again, I daresay Happy Hardcore was too around 1994-1996, despite my distaste for it.

I agree with you though that the statement is incorrect, and that 'rave music' encompasses a number of subgenres.

there needs to be more structure and organization among the various edm/rave music articles. for example, the box for "Hardcore techno" has "Breakbeat hardcore", "Breakcore", and "Hardcore breaks". are these genuinely different subgenres? Can we please agree on semantics and write up some actual descriptions for edm styles? this article describes the rave scene and evolution of rave music more than "breakbeat hardcore", whatever it may be. stay on topic, folks. --dr.rev.xyzzy (too lazy to log in) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.240.130.75 (talk) 18:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Breakbeat Hardcore is early Rave music. Read the section The "Rave" Genre in the Rave music article. Hardcore Breaks is Breakbeat Hardcore recreated with modern technology.  Breakcore is the fusion of Industrial, Drum and Bass and Hardcore Techno.Salamibears58 (talk) 14:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)Salamibears58
 * Breakcore is also based on Digital Hardcore.

MUSIC?
This comes across as an article about RAVES and DRUGS not about a genre of MUSIC Drn8 (talk) 15:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced about MDMA
I have removed the following from the article:
 * ''Many people think that MDMA was the catalyst for rave, but the teenagers would deny this, saying that it was influenced by a need for something fresh, and new. Many would go on to state that the use of MDMA was strictly coincidental with the scene, and did not affect it in any way, but this is arguable.

If anyone can find an applicable source for this we can reinstate it. __meco (talk) 09:51, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Old Skool Rave Hardcore
This term is in fact completely incorrect. It may be true that some people refer to the breakbeat hardcore sound as such, but then again, so do those that listened to happy hardcore. The term gives an impression that all 'old skool', 'rave', or 'hardcore' sounded like this, which is absolutely false. Cubic 22's Night In Motion and early records by the Lords of Acid/101/Digital Orgasm were considered as the original 'hardcore', but had no breakbeats whatsoever. Therefore, I suggest a rename (or just to retain 'breakbeat hardcore' as a subgenre of 'hardcore techno'.

- Erm, Night in Motion had breakbeats (sampled from Radio Babylon), as did some of the Digital Orgasm tunes. I think a better example of what you're speaking of would be something like Spectrum - Brazil. This (genre) was given the title Belgian Techno by some as it kind of followed on from New Beat. Yes, it was part of the original hardcore sound. Also, a lot of hardcore DJs would still play techno in their sets up until 1993, as hardcore and techno were considered 2 sides of the same coin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digest (talk • contribs) 11:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)