Talk:Breakfast/Archive 1

Etymology?
I thought Spanish for breakfast was "desayuno", not "almuerzo". I was taught that "almuerzo" was "lunch". Neutronium 22:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

You Are Correct
Tienes razón. Almuerzo es "lunch".

Trans.: You are right. Almuerzo is "lunch".

76.171.53.59 21:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I have started to put all the non-English words in this article that are not found in my dictionary onto italics, since that is customary English usage. Also, I have changed a sentence on breakfast on Korea to say that breakfast does not exist as a distinct meal. (I added the word not, which I think was the original author's intended meaning.) Hajhouse 00:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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Perhaps we should separate between "British breakfast foods" and "N.A. breakfast foods." A North American would definitely not recognize "tomatoes, mushrooms, black pudding, or fish" as breakfast foods unless they were from Britain. (With the possible exception of lox on bagels.) - montr&eacute;alais

What is an "entertainment meal"? -- Tarquin 21:15 Sep 9, 2002 (UTC)


 * A meal served to others you invite over for that purpose. E.g., you will often have someone over for dinner or brunch but rarely for breakfast. user:Montrealais

First para, second sentence and last para, first sentence are repetitive. Which should stay, and where in the article should it go? My vote is to move the last para in its entirety to immediately precede the first sentence of the article (and scratch current article sentence two). Other ideas? Ed Cormany 03:54 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I don't think that English 'dinner' or French dîner come from disjejunare; French (outside of France) uses déjeuner to mean breakfast. It seems unlikely that the same word would be used for breakfast and dinner. Also, the word déjeuner is transparent in meaning, much like English 'breakfast': jeûne means 'a fast'.Makerowner 21:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

That "déjeuner" would evolve to "lunch" seems unlikely, and needs references. "Lunch" comes from "luncheon", a word that seems to have no similarity to "déjeuner" whatsoever.

Breakfast -- full English breakfast -- continental breakfast
It's definitely not easy to find articles without Wikipedia's search facility. I just typed in "continental breakfast", not knowing that such an article does not exist (yet) and was referred to Departments of the Continental Army. This is going to drive away both casual users and regular contributors. If you type in "continental breakfast" you should at least get one of the "breakfast" articles rather than a "continenal" one. --KF 22:08, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Now it is slightly confusing that Breakfast links to Continental breakfast which redirects to Breakfast ... -- Tjwood 17:28, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Ahh, the good old days when there was nothing in Wikipedia and nobody knew anything because of it. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 07:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Quote: Outside of Scandinavia, a continental Western European breakfast is scarcely more than a snack to tide one over until lunch.

Depends what you mean by "Continental Western European", I suppose, but the statement above is untrue even if you look no further than Benelux and Germany. What the British call a "Continental breakfast" is really a Mediterranean breakfast. A more substantial style of breakfast -- including eggs, meat, cheese, etc -- is taken all over northern continental Europe, not just in Scandinavia. -- Picapica 20:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I know. When I started editing this, the geographical stuff that was here was insane, and I've tried to improve it, but it is still really frustrating me. Go look at what was here before. And it's not just Europe - I've been struggling with North and South America, and the absence of Australia and Africa, and as for Asia and the Middle East, argh. It's bizarre. A little less so now than before, but really - have at it. I didn't feel I should wipe out the whole thing and start from scratch (although I sort of did with what had been North America), but maybe it would have taken less time! --Mothperson 21:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry if you might have thought I was having any direct dig at you, Mothperson. I share your frustration with the way this subject has been treated and applaud your attempts to insert a little more cool-headed analysis here. It's a very strange thing, isn't it, how many myths and halftruths circulate around what one would have thought the rather banal theme of "breakfast" -- see the "Irish/English breakfast" wars at Talk:Irish breakfast, the most ironic facet of which is that, with the possible exception of Sundays, the great majority of "traditional Irish/English" breakfasts eaten are, in any case, probably those served by the catering trade... very largely to tourists. -- Picapica 16:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

No, no. I was just venting, having been beating my head against my desk for a while with no one to talk to about that wretched "continental breakfast", et al. Thanks for sending me to Talk:Irish breakfast - it's priceless, even if I can't currently laugh without having a coughing fit. The wonderful whacky world of Wiki. So - what to do? Southwestern European? European countries speaking latin-based languages with the exception of Rumania and parts of Belgium and Switzerland? I kind of like Mediterranean Europe, but then there's Greece. Maybe - no continental categories at all??? No, that would be too simple. If you have any ideas... the geographically-challenged Mothperson 16:42, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Danish Breakfast
I have never known a Danish breakfast to include meats, but before I edit, I will investigate. As far as I know, "traditional" breakfasts would consist of eggs and lots of solid breads with well-aged cheeses. Sweet pastries are usually reserved for weekends or special occasions. "Modern" Danish breakfasts, as I know them, are often hot or cold cereals, or a bowl of yogurt (perhaps with a topping).

--SVTCobra 02:39, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sfdan added the Danish section. You might discuss with him/her. I am clueless here. --Mothperson 09:55, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We have discussed the subject of meats at the Danish breakfast, and I have made a revision to the text from "ham and sausages" to "cold cuts" (with a list of specific cold cuts common). This way to avoid a misunderstanding that I refer to American-style breakfast "ham and sausages". Meats are not common to Danish breakfast, but "might" show up when a bigger more substantial spread is desired (for example, with guests, with a later breakfast, with a special occassion). But then breakfast traditions also vary from family to family. Sfdan 2 July 2005 04:23 (UTC)

Breakfast Time
"Breakfast is a meal, often light, usually eaten in the morning." Isn't it ALWAYS eaten in the morning? It would be called something other than breakfast if it's not eaten in the morning, right? Carson.Talk 30 June 2005 21:18 (UTC)

Well, that's a holdover from the somewhat weird first edition. However, I suppose if one worked the night shift, one might eat breakfast in the evening. Perhaps you could change it to something more along the lines of whenever one "breaks a fast". --Mothperson 30 June 2005 22:10 (UTC)

Hmmm... as a night time worker (1800–0600) I have always called my first meal of the day breakfast, although it may not contain the common breakfast ingredients. Employers (at least here in America) call your longest break, "Lunch", which would frequently be the second meal of the day. Dinner would round out the day at #3. Note I differentiate meal from snack... a meal normally is prepared/ordered with nutritional and portion needs addressed. A snack, would normally be a few bites of food, nutritional or not, to "hold one over" until the next meal. Are there any locations that have more than 3 meals per day? &hellip; G u y M &hellip; (soapbox) 16:50, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

There are plenty of other defined meal times such as brunch, morning tea (elevenses), afternoon tea, supper. I notice that an accurate definition of each meal becomes more difficult as the years go by as we dilute traditional definitions through the globalisation of culture. Meals seem to be generally based on the time of day rather than their content; shift workers excepted. Garglebutt 00:09, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Pizza
"An emerging tradition is to eat left-over pizza from dinner the night before (commonly called cold pizza, although sometimes reheated) for breakfast."

Well, of course you can eat whatever you want in the morning, maybe this is becoming a trend, but I dont know if thats really an emerging traditon. I suppose those people eating their left-over pizza usually get up at brunch/lunch time so they could easily eat whatever is left-over and usually they have a mikro-wave, so how many studies are there that the pizza has to be cold ?

Ok my point is just to remove this sentence.

Reference
Since it involves the citation of scientific evidence that is not referenced, I have made the modification of the sentence "Studies have indicated that food eaten early in the day is less likely to contribute to fat gain than food eaten in the evening and that people who regularly eat breakfast weigh less than those who do not." to "Studies have indicated that children and adolescents who usually have breakfasts generally consumed more daily calories than those who skip this meal and, yet, are less likely to be overweight." and added the reference:

Rampersaud G.C., Pereira M.A., Girard B.L., Adams J. and Metzl J.D.; Breakfast habits, nutritional status, body weight, and academic performance in children and adolescents. J. Am. Diet. Assoc., May;105(5):743-60, 2005.

--Jonnat 15:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Breakfast in Spain and Italy
I have merged the duplicated paragraphs (duplicated under Southern Europe and under Europe concerning breakfast in Spain and Italy. Please help me by checking these for factual accuracy &mdash; I'm not Spanish or Italian. Hajhouse 15:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Breakfasts
I have modified the section on Chinese breakfast as it varies greatly between different parts of China, not to mention Hong Kong and Taiwan. Feel free to modify it if you want to add something or know I have made any errors. --JNZ 06:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Continental Breakfast
There is a redirect from continental breakfast to this article - but it does not give a definition anywhere. Which is quite important as you will find it on most hotel reservations (atleast in europe). If Wikipedia does not define it then Wikipedia should not claim to know it. {delete}? Guidod 07:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Introduction
I don't understand the "2 out of 3" business from the introduction. Certainly there is no "rule" in this sense, and if there is, a citation would be necessary. The introduction should be reworded to make it clear that there are certain meals customarily called "breakfast," but that the definition is quite variable and loosely used in many cases. Lewallen 15:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Wtf is wrong with the history section?
It really shouldn't start with ''The erosion of breakfast has been an ongoing trend in the West since at least the early 20th century, coinciding with later waking times than when most Westerners had agricultural occupations.  That's like starting History of the United States with Worldwide public opinion of the US began to decline sharply in the 21s century.''


 * I have therefore put the expandsection tag on this section -- Vneiomazza 18:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok... Wtf is this....
This phrase surely doesen't belong there: "Can be done by unzipping your pants and rubbing your penis or vagina on your kitchen floor." ... ... Don't you agree? *Edit:* Nevermind... Somebody got it... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.222.71.214 (talk) 14:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Merge in Continental Breakfast?
I propose that Continental Breakfast be merged in to the Continental Breakfast section of this article. The separate article is an orphan, and a stub whose length is comparable to other sections in Breakfast. --RealGrouchy 17:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge WLU 15:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge --escon dites  17:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * merge - the separate article is going nowhere. Abtract 21:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge --Jeffmcneill talk contribs 21:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've done the merge as per all the agreement. FatDaks 00:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Asia breakfast - Indonesia breakfast
I deleted the Pempek as a breakfast menu in Palembang, Indonesia as it is not accurate at all. I happen to be a native Palembang. First of all, it is not necessarily fried when you serve Pempek, and secondly, it is hardly a breakfast menu as it usually consumes with a sour sauce, called 'cuko' in Palembang native, and it can damage your stomach real good if you consume it to break your long fast.

Removed Obvious anti-semitic material
I removed some obvious anti-semitic material. Also removed unrelated tired again kosher practices.

African breakfast?
I notice an omittance of African breakfast. I only know what southern Ghanaians eat.


 * I've added a stub section for Africa. Editor who wrote the comment above, please contribute info about Ghanaian breakfast, if you are still around! hajhouse 03:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Breakfast - Natto
I question the claim that Natto is only eaten at breakfast. In the Kansai area, we eat natto at any meal of the day. In my family, I would say we eat it more at dinner than any other time. Perhaps they eat it mainly for breakfast in the other parts of the country. I would like to see some references on this claim, however. Hosikawafuzi 20:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Continental breakfast, again
It seems to me that the paragraph above the Continental breakfast heading and the one below it are describing more or less the same thing. But before I merge the two, I would like to ask: is there some distinction I am missing here? hajhouse 03:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

not filling; not satisfactory:

 * Breakfast is the last meal of the week, typically eaten in the afternoon. The word derives from the idea of breaking the involuntary  fast  of drozyness.
 * Mainly breakfast is a Small Frozen meal eaten before work and designed to carry people through a small part of the day.

That is so bad, that it resembles vandalism.

I am looking f/ "Breakfast" & "Sopa":

I am not certain whether these are correct:

< http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0828580 >;

< http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0442750 >;

< http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0433672 >;

< http://akas.imdb.com/find?q=breakfast >.

This began w/ Worldlink.

Thank You,

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Nutrition: Paid for by?
Seriously, at the end of this I expected to find Paid for by: Post Cereal/Florida Orange Juice/Milk Company/etc.... What is up with this section? It's a giant, redundant, amorphous blob of repetitive information. For example, it repeats numerous bits of information. ;) Can this be fixed? 98.18.34.221 (talk) 16:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Iwaketosleep (talk) 22:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)== Nutrition Section: I Concur ==

This section has the tone and authority of a middle-school "research" paper. Will someone please make it at least somewhat scientific? A simple search of PubMed articles about nutrition and breakfast should be enlightening.

What I've heard about the breakfast research is that it tends to conflict itself. Examples:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11836452?dopt=AbstractPlus

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12897044?dopt=AbstractPlus

The first says that people who eat cereal for breakfast tend to have a lower BMI. However the second one says that people who eat protein for breakfast tend to eat less during the rest of the day. Two other articles:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16373948?dopt=AbstractPlus

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15699226?dopt=AbstractPlus

Another study I remember reading (sorry, no reference!) said that doctors tend to skip breakfast. The reason they gave? Because if they eat breakfast, they have trouble keeping their weight down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwaketosleep (talk • contribs) 22:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

what is this?
My German skills are practically non-existant, but I'm fairly sure the quote at the beginning af the article has been tampered with. Does someone know what it's supposed to be? Wallenberg (talk) 13:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You mean the Kafka quote? The translation is correct. "For the father, breakfast was the most important meal of the day." The particular father is a character in the story "Die Verwanderung". (Not sure if it's Gregor himself or his father.) Sluggoster (talk) 06:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

My breakfasts
tend to be rather sweet meals - cereals, sweetened oatmeal, French toasts, eggs (often with grape jelly, but sometimes in omelet form), sometimes fruit, with juice (although I drink juice and sweet beverages at other meals, too), Belgian waffles, pancakes, etc. I'm not a big fan of salty dishes or meat (bacon, pork, sausage, etc.) or cheese (unless it's cottage cheese and fruit) at breakfast time, and I think of yogurt as being a sweetish lunch food. I live in the Mid-Atlantic states of North America. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 07:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Noon
"If you don't eat it before noon, then it doesn't really count as breakfast."

Noon appears to be an arbitrary time constrant. The statement implies that breakfast is the first early meal. The social habit of eating this meal is what makes it something other than a big snack. The supper/dinner distinction is an example of what counts, when and why.

I'd add: breakfast, being an early meal immediate after sleep (and fasting for that matter), there is less time for preparation; breakfast stuffs require less preparation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.95.5.197 (talk) 05:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's also simply incorrect. Wedding breakfasts are typically taken in the afternoon, and breakfasts for e.g. Jews and Arabs fasting are taken at (or after) dusk. Not forgetting of course the "All day breakfast", but then that rather refers to its contents than that it is *intended* to break one's fast. SimonTrew (talk) 13:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Grammar
This sentence isn't grammatically correct and also contains "alot" as a typo: "Breakfast is the most important meal of the day alot of the time you will lack energy if you don't eat it." I'd fix it, but I question if this sentence should be included at all, since it isn't sourced and refers to the reader in second-person. 12.214.127.55 (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

In USA and Canada
Two issues: I think the reference to the "South" should be made to more clearly indicate the American South, if I can assume as a North American that this what it is being referred to (compass directions also apply to Canada). If 'South' being a proper noun is presumed to be indication enough, I think it should be made to link to the appropriate article. Secondly, the statement that some regions in Canada, particularly Quebec, New Brunswick and Ontario, make use of maple syrup on pancakes- that seems to be a universal practice in every province I've been to. Don't Americans also make use of syrup on waffles and pancakes? If 'maple' syrup is the issue, I know for a fact that it can be found and bought easily and everywhere in Canada. I might just have it with breakfast here in Edmonton this morning...Patrolmanno9 (talk) 12:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * U.S. also puts syrup on pancakes, etc. However, outside New England and certain parts of the Upper Midwest, real maple syrup is much more expensive, so it's generally just corn syrup with maple flavoring. 69.95.234.67 (talk) 13:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Shortcoming of article
This article needs some attention from someone with knowledge about the rôle breakfast plays in metabolism and overall health. Anybody know any likely candidates? Tomertalk 12:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Food
Asia ''This article does not cite any references or sources.Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. (January 2008)''

These are things people do. Customs. Where do you want a referense from? Is it better if somebody make a note on it?

Warrington (talk) 21:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Continental Breakfast in Australia
If the description of what constitutes a Continental Breakast in Europe is correct, then that differs from what Australians consider to be a Continental Breakfast. In most hotels and motels I've been to in Austarlia, it usually consists of: It is rare to have any kind of sweet cakes or pastries, as is listed for Eurpoean continental breakfasts. I don't have a citation for this though, that's just from my own experience. --Lachlan Hunt (talk) 18:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC) toasttoastaotsaotatoasotaooastatsa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.6.215 (talk) 23:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Various cereals
 * Toast with either butter or margarine, and various spreads like Vegemite, Jam, Honey, Peanut Butter and Marmalade.
 * Sometimes Fruit
 * Various fruit juices, typically at least Orange Juice.
 * Tea and Coffee

I have removing references to pancakes and hashbrowns:  these are NOT part of Australians' breakfast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.137.94.162 (talk) 15:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Europe subsection bulleted, everything else lives in subsections
I notice, having made the Middle East section internally consistent (was a mix of bullets and free paras -> now subsections), the Europe section now sticks out like a sore thumb that individual countries aren't in their own subsections. I can see maybe the reasoning for this-- the general subsections for northern, central, scandinavia, etc (and should russia not be in central/eastern? hard to say) and maybe to avoid unnecssarily breaking up the article, but I wonder if it would be better to have them at a further subsection level so they turn up in the contents. Scandinavia may need more rework for this-- since Seweden, Denmark and Finland have their own "subsections" (paras), only seems to me like "the rest of Scandinavia" is Norway-- though it is intended to highlight the differences. Comments? SimonTrew (talk) 13:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

"The Balkans"
The Balkans is only mentioned in a caption, next to entry for Serbia, Bosnia, etc etc .... parts of Croatia. Should it be in main text also? Or indeed, if these are defining the Balkans, split out as for Northern Europe, Southern Europe etc? SimonTrew (talk) 13:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

German
Sry but In must say that sausages aren´t typical for the whole Germany. Its only typical for the kind of bavarian brakfast. Bavaria =/= Germany.--94.218.236.78 (talk) 10:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Ham and eggs
I propose that Ham and eggs be merged with this article partly because it is so short, contains only a little information that would probably qualify as encyclopedic but that there is would fit well within this article. --Johnnyturk888 (talk) 11:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Separate article needed on continental breakast
The brief section on continental breakfast does not even mention croissants. I am inclined to agree with the view that this needs its own article, and should not redirect here. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 03:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC) OK - well it does now (perhaps I missed when I first looked at it) but I still feel that this could be a new article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The Direction of this Article...
I have to seriously question the direction of this article. Far too much of it focuses on describing breakfast, especially the foods typically eaten, in various countries. I wonder, is the ultimate goal to list every country? And doesn't it seem rather ridiculous to even attempt to define a "typical" breakfast in any particular country? Tastes vary from individual to individual and region to region, and most of us like to mix up our meals a little... Bobnorwal (talk) 03:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Why are Germany and Austria in one paragraoh together, but Switzerland has got an own? Austria deserves an own! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.33.104.59 (talk) 19:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Much material lost
It wasn't the greatest of articles and wasn't properly sourced, but a few days ago User:JBsupreme cut two-thirds of it, removing all references to Africa, Asia, Britain, southern Europe, etc. What's left is United States, Costa Rica and northern Europe. Any plan to replace the missing material? And rew D alby 16:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

If this article is goin to discuss food from different places, it really needs to have more on African breakfast food. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.220.243 (talk) 10:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

scientific benefits of breakfast?
Perhaps we need a new section? Sources can be found: http://www.breakfastresearchinstitute.org/breakfastbasics/whybreakfast/whyBreakfast.cfm - MexicanFish (talk) 15:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)