Talk:Breaking Clean

Application for course page currently pending on Education noticeboard Limelightangel (talk) 15:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)Limelightangel

Missing topics
Guys, just a summary of the necessary things that we must finish before eventually adding additional ones (if I miss something modify my list, so we can use it as a checklist; when you finish something please delete the related topic):
 * sales figures, I'm searching on Amazon and I may found something about the countries were the book seems more popular--- DONE
 * co-editor DONE mentioned in only one page, me and Girl Next Dior decided that is better not to add her
 * briefly description of each chapter, even just one sentence Done by EF and LA -- Girl next Dior (talk) 11:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Hope that this list would be useful to everybody! Glue janis (talk) 13:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * image in infobox and caption describing the image---DONE by Luckyeyne
 * illustrator: did you understood something about it from the publisher???-- Luckyjeyne asked the publisher and the one we will be using is done inhouse by ISIS -- Girl next Dior (talk) 11:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * we must finish plot, background, characters
 * controversies part DONE by Girl Next Dior
 * editing
 * eventually modify images (size and position)---DONE by Luckyjeyne
 * we could add the image of the wood stove also (Luckyj. look at the link to that page that I created, there's a picture, maybe you could find something on wikicommons) DONE I found an image on Wikicommons, please check that I made right, since I'm not very keen on images.
 * categories --- DONE I understood the problem we had: we can't add categories since our page is a draft. I comment the categories out (fortunately, I could still find the ones I added in an older version of the draft and I copy them) so we will have just to enable them when the page comes live.
 * take a look at the end if we can add some more links

Thanks for the list, I try to answer to some points: Luckyjeyne (talk) 17:39, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * co-editor: if she is mentioned even just in one page, i think we can add this information.
 * image in infobox: I'm waiting for their written authorization to add the cover -DONE
 * illustrator: the publisher said that the image was done in house, but it didn't mention the illustrator. I can ask for it.-DONE
 * modify images: i will wait for the content to be finished to modify the images.-DONE
 * I have just seen your image and i think it's okay, but we need to modify the layout.-DONE
 * thanks for you work and good job with "categories"
 * I'll search something about social context and also some links to add.-DONE

thanks! Glue janis (talk) 17:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)¨ Maybe we could just write that she's the co-author in the info-box? EF93 (talk) 13:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * co-editor:The poblem with the co-editor is that even if you search at her, you can't find nothing about her work with the book.
 * illustrator:Great ask to the editor.

Yes, I agree with you Luckyjeyne (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

There is no template to add it in the infobox!! Glue janis (talk) 18:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Does it mean that we can not add a new information in the Infobox if there is not a template for it? I Thought it was possible, that's way I was asking for it. Luckyjeyne (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I will search more about it, but I couldn't find nothing. Glue janis (talk) 21:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Social Context
For the members that are reading the book: I'm finding informations for social context etc. I will write some titles in this section, delete the ones that are not important for the story (e.g.the moving to the suburbs, I guess), so then we can work on the remaining ones together. Glue janis (talk) 14:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC) I think the social context in american biographies is fundamental. Due to melting pot, it affects always, of course to a different extent, lifes of people. In this case, we could consider the fact that Missoula has a wide community of writers as one of the key point in relation to social context. What do you think?-- Celsius68 (talk) 10:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC) Good idea. I'm adding it to the titles. I think that also the feminist movement might be an important topic, am i wrong?? Glue janis (talk) 13:17, 28 November 2016 (UTC) Anyway I added the writers community title to background. I think it's more appropiate than add it to subject/themes section.Glue janis (talk) 13:24, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Characters
It feels like the secondary characters section is not relevant to the plot. Maybe it is better to focus on the main characters?--LA93 (talk) 16:28, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Sure, focus on the main ones.--Glue janis(talk) 23:03, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Talking about characters, should we list just the direct information we could find from the book or we can add also secondary aspects which comes out from tips by the author and their behaviour? I mean, on encyclopedia it's fine to add what could be the result of a personal interpretation, even if almost obvious, or we have to deal only with direct descriptions? Celsius68 (talk) 10:20, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

List what comes across as relevant in the descriprions and behaviour. It doesn't have to be a detaild psychological analysis, but you can talk about what you understand from their behaviour. --Girl next Dior(talk) 12:44, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Categories
I'm adding some categories. These you can see on the draft are the best I could found. Glue janis (talk) 10:59, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Guys did you understand why wikipedia removed our categories? It's not totally clear to me.Glue janis (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Infobox
Guys, take a look at edits I've made to infobox (media type). Is that okay? Any suggestions?--Glue janis(talk) 23:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I just had a look at the infobox of Harry Potter book wiki page and the "eBook" was linked to the wiki page of eBook, not to the specific Potter eBook. Should I do the same?--Glue janis(talk) 10:29, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it's not necessary. We've already linked it in the edition paragraph. --Girl next Dior(talk) 11:13, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I mean the wiki page to Ebook, what do you mean? We can't link to external pages in the infobox, that's why I added the "external links" pargraph. Also, linking it to the ebook page could come across as promoting issues. --Girl next Dior(talk) 22:33, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I meant that I found in other relevant book pages that the word e-book was actually linked to the wiki page that explains what is an e-book, so I did the same for our infobox and edition paragraphs.

--Glue janis(talk) 22:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok I thought you meant to send them on a purchasing page. --Girl next Dior(talk) 22:47, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the misunderstanding! --Glue janis(talk) 22:49, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Links
Guys the 'red link' is an existing page (it result to me), but it contains promoting issues. Maybe that's the problem. --Glue janis(talk) 22:26, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I fixed the link he meant, it just had a different name on wikipedia. --Girl next Dior(talk) 22:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, great job! --Glue janis(talk) 22:40, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Price
Girls I can't find the price of all the editions. I think that some of them may be withdrawn from the market.Glue janis (talk) 10:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I think you might be right, because I have been looking too and not been able to find a website where you can buy two of the editions. We probably need a confirmation of some sort that this is the case right? EF93 (talk) 16:21, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Don't know, maybe we could just leave it like this. Since they are not on sale anymore, the price is not that useful.Glue janis (talk) 10:51, 26 November 2016 (UTC) I found many different editions on other countries shop, with prices annexed. we could add them as well Celsius68 (talk) 10:13, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Great, go and add them! Glue janis (talk) 13:19, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Physical description
Since I couldn't find a template for the infobox to insert the price of the book, I created a physical description paragraph (also other notable book pages has this paragraph) where I wrote that. Could you help me mention the source? I could find this information only on Amazon, is it ok as source?? Did we mentioned it yet?? Did you find the price, the dimensions and the weight of the book in other sites that you used for the rest of the page, that may be more indicated as a source??? --Glue janis(talk) 22:39, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Instead of making a paragraph dedicated to a "physical description" couldn't we add the prices on the already existing "Editions" paragraph? The actual measurements seem unnecessary. --Girl next Dior(talk) 22:43, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I think that that paragraph could be useful, since also the "Some Gritstone Climbs" page had one. Anyway, it could be better to add the price as you said in edtions one, just give a minute and I will modify it. Is it ok?--Glue janis(talk) 22:48, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but I think that it made sense to put it on that page because that book was very old and a unique edition (unlike this book and most modern books). I think it isn't relevant enough to have a physical description paragraph, but we can see what the other group members think. Is it ok if you add the prices to the editions? Sure.--Girl next Dior(talk) 22:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Right, I didn't think about it! I will leave it on the draft til the other group members answer, but it will problably be better to cancel it. Anyway I'm adding the prices to the editions paragraph, but I will need further researches to look for the price of all different editions, since now I was able to find only three of them. Glue janis (talk) 22:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I was reading again the professor's mail and it asks for further informations about paperback/hardcover and I just remembered that was why I decided to add a physical description! What do you think it meant?? What other kind of information could I look for on paperback/hardcover?? Glue janis (talk) 22:08, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Did we find only the dimensions of the first edition? Because if we publish the cover of another edition, i don't think that it's a good idea to add others dimensions Luckyjeyne(talk) 16:55, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think it matter if we have one image of the cover of one edition and then the description of another edition. But I think we should have the description of the first edition if we can find a source. --LA93 (talk) 16:11, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I will leave on the page only the dimensions of the first edition. Glue janis (talk) 10:56, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Images
I sent an email to the publishing house to ask for a written and signed authorization and for the link of the image that wikipedia is currently requiring. I'm also looking for other images and I think we can add one of "Phillips County, Montana" that is where her family's ranch was located. There is already an image of it on wikipedia. what do you think? Luckyjeyne(Talk)

Check if the images already on wikipedia need further authorization or are already free to use. --Girl next Dior(talk) 18:57, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

There was a map of Phillips Country con WIkiCommons and I added it. Luckyjeyne(talk) 01:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I also added an image of the "Wringer washing machine" as professor Walker said, but I don't how to fix it in the section dedicated to the background or how to reduce its size. Luckyjeyne(talk) 01:15, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Luckyjeyne if you need help to search how to modify size and position of image let me know. The images are appropriate, good job. Glue janis (talk) 10:55, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Glue janis but I don't know if we need to reduce its size or it will be okay when we add other materials in that section. What do you think? Luckyjeyne (talk) 13:15, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Sure we will first finish the content, then we will see if it is necessary.Glue janis (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Guys,
 * do you think i can add a photo of Judy? is it under copyright too?
 * do you think it can be a good idea to keep all images in a gallery? Luckyjeyne (talk) 18:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I think that will be great to add one or more gallery (ex. one for social context one for background etc)! Naturally the image of the cover will be added to infobox. I don't know about author's picture. Glue janis (talk) 21:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

The author's wiki page doesn't have a picture that has already been cleared. I think we don't have the time to receive another authorization for a picture now. You can try. -- Girl next Dior (talk) 11:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Description of chapters
In the physical description section is it clear that the chapters name is first and after the : - sign is a short summary of the chapter? Or can it be missread as the chapters name? Maybe we should move it to the plot section? LA93 (talk) 08:40, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I saw that in "Some Gritsone Climb" is in the physical description paragraph. Maybe I could create a table or just add a title (Chapters and brief descrption of each) to that to make it more clear. Glue janis (talk) 08:53, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I can try to add a few words to make it more clear. LA93 (talk) 10:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Is it more clear now? LA93 (talk) 10:30, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I put it in Bold but i think you have removed it. i thought it was more clear. Luckyjeyne (talk) 11:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we did edits at the same time because I think the things I added are gone. I can write it again and keep you the word that you put in bold. LA93 (talk) 14:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Is it okay now? LA93 (talk) 14:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Now it's way more clear thanks for editing it. Glue janis (talk) 15:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)