Talk:Breaststroke

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This article is awful. It contradicts itself repeatedly. It says in the intro that you keep your head out of the water all the time, but then later tells you never to do that because it's bad for the spine. It says in the intro that it's the most common recreational stroke, but then goes on to talk about it as if the only people who really care about it are competitive swimmers, with constant references to FINA rules. It says you use the frog kick but then describes the whip kick. Then later it refers to the whip kick without ever defining it. Someone who knows what they're talking about should go through the whole thing and consistentize it. And all that FINA stuff should be put in its own section, since the article is supposed to be about the breaststroke, not the breaststroke in competition. Lots of people are just interested in the stroke for recreational swimming. Me, I just came to see if the current thinking advocated the frog kick or the whip kick. The article failed.


 * Boobstroke, butterfly, and backstroke are clearly defined styles, showing exactly what a swimmer can do and cannot do. If you see a swimmer swimming them, you know which style it is. Freestyle is ANY style (free - style!) with pretty much no limitations (except for medley). Most people swim front crawl, which is a swimming style, but not officially defined by FINA. Heck, they would be allowed to dog paddle, or use any of the List of swimming styles. I am still strongly for "three official styles" -- Chris 73 | Talk 23:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Front crawl is normaly what is swum as free style. I know the stroke isn't regualted, but is most common.  The FINA rules state that the freestype can be anything except back, breast, or fly.  I see "fre style" as an offical stroke that jsut isn't really defined :/.---Jimktrains 21:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Head out of water?
In the intro, it says that you can keep your head out of water all the time. Being a breastsroker, this is not true. While you can do it in recreiational swimming, you cannot (for speed resaons) in competiton. I was wondering how that could be worded in the intro and in the article? Thanks Jimktrains 21:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

New world records
This is going to be a running area for new world records as they come out. If a world record is announced, add a listing below for the new record and a link to the results page of the time (if you don't know what I mean, someone will find it for you!) –Pakman044 01:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

LCM=Long Course Meters SCM=Short Course Meters


 * Men's 100 LCM Breaststroke - August 1, USA Swimming Nationals (Summer) (59.13)
 * Proof of time: Event results page, as visited August 1 [ Pakman044 03:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC) ]
 * Men's 200 LCM Breaststroke - August 5, USA Swimming Summer Nationals (2:08.74)
 * Proof of time: Event results page, as visited August 5 [ Pakman044 02:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC) ]

Tatiana 03:00 Ntombezinhle (talk) 20:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

underwater pull-out
Is it called out or down? Why is it scattered throughout the article? Arnero 08:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It's called a pull out, but that refers to the entire action: arm pull, kicks and glides. I think that the author who wrote pull down was trying to distinguish between the pull itself and the total action.76.171.1.21 22:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

A pull down is the part of a pull out when you move you hands from a streamline to your side.

picture
For as much as I hate that picture, the caption "novice level flawed breaststroke technique" sounded a little extreme. I changed it to "Recreational Breaststroke". For those on the swimming project, I have some great pics from a past meet which will be presented shortly. Tingalex 19:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I think "recreational breaststroke technique" is misleading since it is infact a flawed novice level breaststroke. The current caption gives undue legitimacy to the stroke being performed.


 * I totally agree. An encyclopedia shouldn't use eufemisms to spare someones feelings but instead just say it as it is. There is no such thing as e recreational breaststroke or a professional breaststroke. There is one official breaststroke which is clearly defined.
 * His/her technique is obviously flawed so that text would be technically ok.
 * Few observations from this photo: his heel points towards his other heel (in the Netherlands they teach it that way because it is easier thoug less efficient), his body isn't strait (poor hydrodynamic) and  he doesn't coordinate between the arms and the legs (when you use your arms your legs have to be as straight as  possible with the toes extended, when you use your legs your arms need to be as straight as possible).
 * Since a 'recreational' breaststroke obviously doens't exist (this is objective, not subjective) I will take the liberty to delete 'recreational'. To prevent an edit-war I will not put any words in the place of 'recreational'. Let's first discuss it properly.


 * Suggestion: let's place a better picture from someone who swims correctly, then this entire discussion is not even necessary.
 * 193.190.253.148 06:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Ergonomics
Breastroke is considered the most efficient style. Compare this to Butterfly, which states that the butterfly style uses more energy per stroke, though is faster.
 * "Breastroke is considered the most efficient style." By who? Definately not competitive swimmers... 24.226.51.110 (talk) 16:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * As is Wikipedia policy, please cite a Reliable source to back up this statement, e.g., book, magazine article, etc.  JGHowes talk  -  21:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Article needs Diagram
Something like this: http://www.gatorswimteam.org/2004/5/breaststroke4.jpg or this: http://www.gatorswimteam.org/2004/5/breaststroke2.jpg. Or even an animation. --Rajah (talk) 22:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The descriptions of the stroke are hard to follow: Videos plus diagrams are also needed
I found the detailed written descriptions of the several variants of this stroke nearly impossible to visualise.

The best way I can think of to improve them would be for the article to include videos of exemplary exponents of the breaststroke performing its variants, keyed by subtitles to numbered descriptive text paragraphs. It would also be useful to be able to slow down the videos to make it easier to analyse each component of the strokes being depicted.

Also helpful would be some accompanying diagrams showing both lateral and dorsal views of each successive stage of the variants of the stroke, likewise keyed to the descriptive text.

I believe that people wishing to learn more about the stroke and its variants and/or improve their technique would find such visual representations of the elements of the stroke far more useful than the written descriptions (though the latter clearly have their place as well, especially in explaining the physics of how the stroke works).

The internet makes it possible to present sophisticated visual aids in an easily-accessible form, and Wikipedia ought to be in the forefront in applying them...

68.102.50.219 (talk) 07:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Additional Diagrams/descriptions?
This article possibly needs a diagram or animation of some sort to demonstrate the turns and possibly the minute differences between the styles of breaststroke, since it would be hard for a non-swimmer or poor swimmer to imagine how it would actually look. A description of the flat and the undulating styles of breaststroke would also be nice to supplement the animations mentioned above. Pham2 (talk) 18:46, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

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Demotion to "C" class
I have demoted the article to "C" class, because of lack of citations, and several unresolved issues in this talk page. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Promotion to Top importance
This article is one of the four competitive strokes. It is seen in every major swimming competition, linked in 100s if not 1000s of pages on wikipedia and external sites. Therefore, I have upgraded it's importance to Top. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC)