Talk:Brecksville, Ohio

Several problems
the history section is copied verbatim from the brecksville website, except for the end. Someone from the Historical Society should sit down and add some true Brecksville history.

The lead paragraph
This is unecessary:

''Brecksville is a city in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, and is a suburb of Cleveland in the Northeast Ohio Region, the 15th largest Combined Statistical Area in the United States. The city's population was 13,656 at the 2010 census''

It is more than sufficient to say that Brecksville is in Cuyahoga County, Ohio and it is a suburb of the Greater Cleveland area. Besides the various redundancies, mentioning the rank of the CMA and/or NEO (as the article is not about the GC Area or Cleveland, and as Ohio has already been mentioned in the first sentence) are both totally unnecessary and make for poor composition. And whatever credentials you want to cite, it is still bad writing. Please refrain from reversing the edits. And assuming that there is an agenda. The only 'agenda' I have as a WP editor is to see articles that are both coherently and cohesively written. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Marketing tone
This also reads like a marketing page, not an encyclopedia article. Sections in the transportation section should be rewritten —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.222.236.25 (talk) 18:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, marketing tone
I took a large axe to the "Parks and recreation" section because, at the very least, WP:PROMO. There is much more promotional language still in the article though, for example "Along with academic excellence" and "Abundant entertainment is just a short distance away for residents of Brecksville." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:04, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for those and your other edits. I agree with them.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:24, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:33, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I´m done for now, I think. You still get a feeling of something like a real estate agents broschure in places, like Transportation. The school bit is very focused on achievements. I wonder if parts of the article is copypasted from sources/elsewhere (I removed 1 copyvio I found). It´s possible that similar articles have similar problems, like Broadview Heights, Ohio. Like Brecksville, it also "has a solid, diversified economy." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Good work. And I agree with you re Broadview Heights.  It needs the same sort of cleanup.  JohnInDC (talk) 13:26, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Pruning of page / restoration of material
I'm starting this new section as a place to discuss the restoration of material removed (mostly by) and by me. I think the excisions were sound, but of course one or both of us might've gone too far, so if that may be the case let's discuss it. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 20:48, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The info on Brecksville reservation is sufficiently covered in the article on Cleveland Metroparks, so if it's linked properly, there should be no problem. At any rate, this article is about Brecksville the suburb, not the Metropark reservation. From what I can see,this article now looks a lot more like an actual Wikipedia entry and not a marketing page on Facebook. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 21:41, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Happy (well, willing, anyway) to discuss, of course (and thank you, Ryecatcher773, that was the intent). I did a lot of edits, and I´m sure improvements can be made. Cleveland Metroparks... "vision", "unflappable", "ambitious". PROMO-radar beeping again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:27, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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Economy
How does this source support "Brecksville has a solid, diversified economy"? I´m refering to this edit. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It doesn't, except perhaps as Original research or Synthesis. I've reverted it. JohnInDC (talk) 11:40, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Further to the point: 'Diversified' is just that: diverse. The list you've cited illustrates an almost exclusively service-based economy. Economic diversity includes a broader balance of services, technology and manfacturing. Diversified economies are more typically found in large cities, not suburbs or cities with a population of less than 15,000 people. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 17:19, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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Demographics
Can we remove the census results section for 2010 since there is an identical and updated section for 2020? Any results a user might want in depth before the most recent cycle they can find by following the citations. What is the SOP for census results on most population center pages? --CLEhobbit (talk) 19:56, 20 February 2024 (UTC)CLEhobbit

Is there a real need to have the year 2000 census results? There already is a chart that shows historical population. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 12:29, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


 * this seems to be a moot point as it is no longer on the page and hasn't seemed to be for some time. CLEhobbit (talk) 19:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Brecksville, Arcadia Publishing, 2004
Maybe a useful source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

John O'Brien (novelist)
, with whom I am this morning pleasantly tag-teaming whipping the sources to this section into shape, rightly removed John O'Brien (novelist) from the list of notables. But I found this May 2010 article in Crain's Cleveland Business, which I would generally regard as a WP:RS, and reinstated it with that source.

But soft! The line in that article (Mr. O'Brien grew up in Brecksville and Lakewood, and he graduated from Lakewood High School in 1978) reads suspiciously like the line in O'Brien's Wikipedia article as it existed in May 2010 when the Crain's article was published (He grew up in Brecksville and Lakewood Ohio and graduated from Lakewood High School in 1978). The assertion in the Wikipedia article was itself unsourced in May 2010, and remains so today, although it's now flagged with a fact tag.

I suspect this might be an example of citogenesis. The Crain's article is not the usual business-oriented journalism that is the publication's normal fare. It could very well be that, for a fluff piece like this, its author relied on Wikipedia.

I'll leave it in for the moment as I mull it over, but my feelings won't be hurt if anyone yanks it. Any other thoughts? TJRC (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I think you may be right, you upstart crow. If he was alive we could use his FB-page, but that is not the case. Still, without evidence, it seems reasonable to leave your source in place. Do we have a citogenesis noticeboard? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Article name
and anyone interested, shouldn't it be just "Brecksville"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think under WP:USPLACE, it's named correctly now as Brecksville, Ohio: "Articles on populated places in the United States are typically titled Placename, State (the 'comma convention')". TJRC (talk) 04:05, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:15, 30 August 2019 (UTC)