Talk:Bree Newsome

Notability
All but one source is about her removal of the flag. Per WP:SINGLEEVENT, should this article not be about that event, rather than Newsome as a person? Does a Black Reel Award winning short film push this over the WP:BIO threshold? Grayfell (talk) 02:42, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I added some more info, hope that helps. --Rosekelleher (talk) 13:27, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


 * That addresses my concerns, thanks. Grayfell (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

This article doesn't meet the criteria for WP:BIO, after reviewing the section on "People notable for only one event" I concur with the initial assessment of Grayfell. Over 75% of the cited articles in this biography are about the occurrence in SC, and the majority of this actual biography article is about what happened there. 2A01:388:29C:150:0:0:1:40 (talk)


 * Really? Wow. Seems to me she was notable long before the flag incident, as a young filmmaker who has won multiple awards and shown her film at international film festivals all over the world. --Rosekelleher (talk) 21:30, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Had she not climbed the pole and removed the flag, she would not be on wikipedia and would have been relegated as just another film school graduate entering various contests. Really needs more substance.  One of the items mentions a YM mention but that source just points to and copied from a wordpress blog.  I understand that YM is now defunct, but need a better source for that.   ThurstonHowell3rd (talk) 01:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I added a ref. to the Baltimore Sun for the YM mention. Also, her being the first African-American undergrad to be nominated for a prestigious film award is of historical interest. Also, apparently, black women who make sci-fi films are a rarity, and she has taken part in panel discussions about this. And her music video got "national attention" in 2012. Added Washington Post ref. --Rosekelleher (talk) 20:29, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Would she have had a wikipedia entry based on everything she did before the flag event? ThurstonHowell3rd (talk) 20:58, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * When I started the page I was primarily interested in the flag event, and only learned after creating the stub that she was a filmmaker - mea culpa! - but that doesn't mean she's not notable as a filmmaker. There are many notable artists who aren't well known by the general public. Richard Wilbur has won two Pulitzers, but the average person has no idea who he is. IMO Newsome is a notable artist independent of the flag event, for the reasons I stated above. That I learned this belatedly should not be held against her. --Rosekelleher (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The fact that you wrote "IMO" already taints your perspective into this article making you inclined to write about it in a bias manner (knowingly or not). Read up on Notability (people) and how the pages should be formatted.  BTW, wordpress and blogspot sources are not always reliable.  ThurstonHowell3rd (talk) 02:54, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Don't read too much into my use of "IMO". Women tend to use qualifiers a lot because we're perceived as abrasive when we don't. In truth, any time anyone expresses an opinion, "IMO" is implied. I do not write in a "bias manner" (sic). Why don't you read up on Stub articles. --Rosekelleher (talk) 10:24, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic content
Alot of the information in this article is unencyclopaedic and makes the subject seem less notable than otherwise. There also seems to be a lot of emphasis placed on the flag incident, which is the only real notable content in the article. As previously mentioned on the notability section, the subject would not have an article if it wasn't for the incident of the flag, which would make her a WP:PERPETRATOR as she was found guilty. As a whole, the article reads as if too much effort was placed in trying to make it sound more notable. Sadly it does the opposite. Uamaol (talk) 04:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't take a genius to do that math.
I find it very telling, and very sad, that individual episodes of sitcoms can have their own pages in Wikipedia, and every minute of Kim Kardashian's life can be documented in exhaustive detail, and every disposable pop song that's ever been cranked out by a no-talent one-hit wonder has its own page here, and no one complains, no one questions whether those things are important enough to be included, but when an African-American woman who is also a notable filmmaker makes international news for an incident of historical importance, we get people campaigning to have her page removed. Rosekelleher (talk) 00:44, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia guidelines are clear, for a Bio WT:BIO you must be notable and known for more than one event. What you describe when it comes to TV shows and even some one hit wonders is more notable than someone who released a documentary no one has ever heard of and climbed a flagpole to take down a racist flag. She clearly falls under WP:SINGLEEVENT as per Wikipedia guidelines. She hasn't done anything snice the flagpole protest other than go on an  anti-semitic binge on twitter for clout,  engagement farming, and Rage-baiting. Rock &#38; roll is not dead (talk) 15:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)