Talk:Bret Hart/Archive 3

Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2020
Bret’s middle name is spelt “Sargent” 70.73.232.17 (talk) 00:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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Legacy section inaccuracy
"According to clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson, Hart was at one point the most famous Canadian in the world."

This intro to Hart's legacy section is both false and violates wikipedia's policy on the reliability of sources.

False claim - Look, I love Bret Hart, but the idea that he was the most famous Canadian in the world at the time is objectively untrue. Jim Carrey was at his peak at that time. Pamela Anderson was at her peak at that time. Mike Myers was at his peak at that time. Michael J. Fox was at his peak at that time. Neil Young was pretty famous. William Shatner. Alanis Morissette. Dan Aykroyd. Matthew Perry. Jason Priestley. Phil Hartmann. Tommy Chong. Tom Green. You can go on forever, I'm sorry but Bret Hart wasn't even remotely close to being in the top 10 most famous Canadians by any objective measure.

Unreliable source - The one and only thing in world history that supports the claim that Hart was the most famous Canadian in the world is that some guy named Jordan Peterson said it. Oh, and he's a clinical psychologist I guess. A clinical psychologist is not an authority on the fame level of Canadians, as evidenced by, if nothing else, his lack of knowledge that entertainment media of the 1980s and 1990s were dominated by much more famous Canadians.

Violation of policy - Not only is the claim false and the source an irrelevant non-authority on the matter, the source was also cited in direct violation of wikipedia's source rules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources), which plainly state "Never use self-published sources... unless written or published by the subject of the article." Following the link to the source of the "most famous Canadian" claim demonstrates that it is a video of a talk that was both given and published by Jordan Peterson. It is therefore self-published, and since Peterson is not the subject of the article, this video is not a permissible source.

The Biographies of Living Persons rules also state "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Please remove this claim and afterward monitor discussion to determine if some alternative source that is valid and complies with wikipedia rules can be found to justify re-instating the claim.

72.22.211.187 (talk) 09:19, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Bret in the Simpsons
He was in the Simpsons dude. 174.247.80.182 (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)