Talk:Brian Keenan (Irish republican)

SoC
O'Callahan being an informer does not make him necessarily biased - that is your value judgment.Traditional unionist 20:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No it isn't. He's a police informer, and should be labelled as such. One Night In Hackney  303  20:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That does not make him biased. The inclusion suggests that he is, which is something that should be left to the rreader.Traditional unionist 20:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * He's verifiably a police informer, therefore he can be labelled as such especially when he's making such an allegation about a living person. It doesn't suggest that he is biased, that's your value judgment. One Night In Hackney  303  20:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yet your edit summary was "Yes it is. Information from biased sources must be labelled as such". Your memory is very bad.Traditional unionist 20:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, less of the personal attacks. The article doesn't suggest he is biased. One Night In Hackney  303  20:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes it does, and your edit summary shows that that is your intention.Traditional unionist 20:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No. It's important that people can understand who he is without having to read another article. One Night In Hackney  303  20:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. Should we also include that he was involved in the murder of police officers then?  You have demonstrated that this is you pushing POV.Traditional unionist 20:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Is he a police informer? Yes/No - delete as applicable. No POV, basic facts. I was actually thinking of just nuking the entire claim given that a living person has been accused of inciting another to organise the killing ten people based solely on the word of a police informant, but I settled for clarifying exactly who said it. One Night In Hackney  303  21:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You settled? Well thats alright then.  It is clear on the article on O'Callaghan that he was an informant.  Adding that information to this article is POV, which you have demonstrated was your intention.Traditional unionist 21:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it needs to be in this article or the claim needs to be removed entirely. One Night In Hackney  303  21:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's nonsense. You are making a judgement that is not your to make.Traditional unionist 21:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * SoC, is a self-confessed Gardai informer, he is also a dis-credited source due the the various different versions of his claims he has made over the years.--Padraig 21:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

What is the point you are trying to make Traditional unionist it states in the article what SoC is do you want to remove that he was a tout? You are quick to discredit people Michael Farrell. Any evidence given by a tout has to be taken with a pinch of salt especially a paid one.--BigDunc 21:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yet another run around for nothing! SOC was a paid tout and as a source has been totally dis-credited. Again referenced information is challanged by Traditional unionist, and for what? Now the information stays or it the claim needs to be removed entirely.  One Night In Hackney  303  very good article, and your contrabutions seem to generate  just as much intrest. --Domer48 15:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Date of Birth
Anyone know a verifiable reference containing his DOB? --194.216.205.173 (talk) 09:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Influence, Kingsmill
details http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/comment/New-blood-bad-blood-New.5073237.jp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.233.119 (talk) 12:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Attempts to add nonsense
I see there have been repeated attempts to re-insert the nonsense, with a "reference". While such childish tactics may fool some Wikipedia editors, those with knowledge of the area know it for what it is. To summarise: If the person wishes to add this information, I suggest a direct link to the article in question is provided. Until that link is provided, the information being added must be regarded as nonsense, blatant vandalism and also a violation of the biographies of living people policy in relation to the claims being made about "Finn". 2 lines of K 303  11:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There was no An Phoblacht dated 15 February 2005
 * Searching through the archives manually provides no relevant story.
 * The IRA do not make public statements regarding who is on the Army Council, or who has left it. Martin McGuinness especially would not make such a statement.
 * Had Martin McGuinness made such a statement in mid-February, it is highly unlikely that "British security sources" would believe based on "intelligence reports" that Brian had left the Army Council, when they could just go by Martin McGuinness saying it!
 * I can find no record of one of Brian's sons being called "Finn", and equally no record that Brian has a son who is a "member of an elite British military unit".

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County Londonderry
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