Talk:Brian McNicholl

basketball
This records a Brian McNicholl as an Australian team member in the 1980 Paralympics. (see Wheelchair basketball at the 1980 Summer Paralympics). I'm not adding this to the talk page as it is not listed in the IPC data. The full list given is "Rene Ahrens, Robert Augustine, Kevin Bishop (basketball), Peter Burt (basketball), Kevin Coombs, Len Ettridge, Erick Hubel, Robert McIntyre (basketball), Brian McNicholl, Kevin Munro, Richard Oliver (basketball), F. Pointer". (btw, paralympic.org doesnt have a given name for Pointer). John Vandenberg (chat) 03:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The last column of this news articles says he was playing for the "Rebels" in 1978.
 * The second column of this news article from 1988 says he had represented Australia in basketball. John Vandenberg (chat) 05:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The IPC doesn't list any team members for men's wheelchair basketball events at the 1980 Summer Paralympics, except the Swedish team. It's probably OK to use Wheelchairs Can Jump as a source here, but it'd be better to use an APC publication. Graham 87 09:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added his participation in the 1980 wheelchair basketball team, after reading the introduction to the source. It could be used for many, many other players. Graham 87 06:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Slalom
A NZL "B. McNicholl" is listed on Athletics at the 1976 Summer Paralympics and its ref as a silver medalist in the Slalom 4. I'm pretty sure that will be him. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. I've updated Athletics at the 1976 Summer Paralympics. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:44, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

1972
He isn't listed on http://www.paralympics.org.nz/paralympics/_s1972.htm as a NZ competitor. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed all mention of 1972 until we can verify that he was a competitor in the 1972 Paralympics. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * See New Zealand at the 1972 Summer Paralympics which uses International Paralympic Committee and New Zealand Paralympic Committee as sources; there were ten competitors and Brian McNicholl isnt listed as one of them. I dont think we should trust an Australian Paralympic Committee website until we better understand the situation. John Vandenberg (chat) 06:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

These two newsletters, this story in The Age also say "seven-time". John Vandenberg (chat) 06:25, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * And apparently so does this article. This sounds bizarre. I thought that the NZPC only listed medal winners, but on closer inspection, that doesn't appear to be the case. I checked the UK Paralympic Committee, on the rather remote chance that he represented that country (just based on his Scottish surname), but no dice. Graham 87 09:24, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * None of the sources offered so far give me confidence in the claim that he competed in the 1972 Paralympics. 2004 annual report p34 is another NZPC document which asserts he only participated in the 1976 Paralympics for New Zealand.  IPC 1972 participant list for NZ verifies the NZPC list of 10 competitors.  The only sport which doesnt identify the name of the NZ competitor is table tennis.  Again I recommend that we remove all mention of 1972 until we better understand why the sources don't agree. John Vandenberg (chat) 09:32, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, done. Graham 87 15:45, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Brian has confirmed through correspondence that the 1976 Toronto Games were indeed his first Paralympics. Therefore this issue is settled now. Graham 87 07:25, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Newspaper sources
"Shredders Work Overtime" in "The Belletin Sports" from September 3 1996, pages 92 and page 93. Author Jim Webster. On page 93, quote: "Brian McNichool's silver in the 90-kilogram powerlifting. McNicholl is a physical trainer for the Collingwood AFL club, and it took a world record lift by Poland's Ryszard Tomaszewski to beat him."

Sunday Tasmanian, 25 August 1996. Page 39. No autor given. Title: "Melissa's second gold sets record": Quote "Other notable performances yesterday were the silver by Brian McNicholl in the powerlifting, 90-kilogram division. McNicholl is a physical trainer for the Collingwood AFL club, and it took a world record lift by Poland's Ryszard Tomaszewski to beat him." --LauraHale (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

The Age. Australian team aims to win more than 24 gold. By Caroline Overington. 7 August 1996. Page B29. "The most experienced member of the team, Collingwood Football Club's weight trainer, Brian McNicholl, who is attending his seven Paralympics, is confident of victory in the powerlifting." --LauraHale (talk) 06:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Veteran shooter to carry flag. The West Australian. Page 62. 16 August 1996. No author given. "Melbourne power lifter Brian McNicholl will be appearing at his seventh Paralympics." --LauraHale (talk) 06:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Time to promote our personable Paralympians. The Australian. 14 August 1996. By Rhonda Bushby. "Other marketable personalities include Brian McNicholl, who is Collingwood's weights coach as well as three times world champion in the 90kg powerlifting. At 45 he's fronting up for his seventh Paralympics." --LauraHale (talk) 06:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The Australian. 12 August 1996. Page 26. By Joe Hogan. "McNicholl's lift-off countdown." End newspaper information. Facts from article: McNicholl was hired by Tony Shaw to work for Collingwood in 1995. McNicholl had barracked for the Magpies his whole life. Quote: "McNicholl's international record since 1972 was impeccable." Another quote: "A polio victim at the age of 11 months, McNicholl, now 44, leaves tomorrow to contest his seventh Paralympic Games in Atlanta." For a couple of years before the 1996 Games, he was coached by Blagoi Blagov. At the time of the 1996 Games, qualifications for the Paralympics meant only the top 12 competitors in each classification got to attend the Games. Quote: "He had a good chance in Seoul in 1988 but blew it and finished with bronze." Article quotes McNicholl as saying "Although placed in other Paralympics (before '92), I was inexperienced and didn't quite know how to handle the pressure." End quote. Article says: "He also learned from other sporting champions, including Australian Olympic great Herb Elliott, whom McNicholl has known since the early '80s." Another quote from the article "Before joining Collingwood he was involved with the Department of Sport and Recreation in Victoria and still participates in school clinics, setting an example and passing his knowledge on. For six years he promoted sport in schools and delivered a simple message ... whether you have a disability or not participate." Article says he is the current (in 1996) chairman of Australian Weightlifting for People with Disabilities. --LauraHale (talk) 06:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The Australian. 12 August 1996. Page 27. By Joe Hogan. "McNicholl's lift-off countdown." End newspaper information. Facts from article: He weighs 85kg. He competed at the 1972, (4th) 1976, (2nd) 1980, (3rd) 1984, (4th), 1988 (3rd), 1992 (1st) in the Paralympics. At the time of the 1996, he was the world record holder with a lift of 230kg set at the 1994 world Championships. --LauraHale (talk) 06:58, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The Age. 6 July 1996. Section Extra. Pages 5 and 6. No author. Title "Australia's prospects for gold." Quote from article: "Brian McNicholl: Infamous for being able to powerlift 197.5 kilograms, the equivalent of 26 slabs of beed, McNicholl is a world record holder and weight trainer for the Collingwood Football Club. Wheelchair weightlifters lie on their backs with their legs strapped to a table, since the average wheel spoke would snap under the pressure." --LauraHale (talk) 07:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Overington, Caroline (1996). "Powerlifting". Golden days of Atlanta : Xth Paralympic Games Atlanta, Georgia, August 15–25, 1996 (Sydney: Australian Paralympic Federation): 54. "Australia's charge was led by Barcelona gold medalist, Brian McNicholl, who had to be content with a silver medal this time around. A serious heavy injury in the two weeks before the competition meant McNicholl as for below his best in the 90kg class, however he turned in an outstanding performance under the circumstances." --LauraHale (talk) 07:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The Pinnacle, The Victorian Institute of Sport Newsletter. Issue no. 11. June 1992. VIS Olympians. Page 3. Lists Brian McNicholl, Kelly Barnes, Sandy Blythe, Julie Barr, Amanda Carter, Paula Coghlan, Darren Collins, Anne Currie, Brad Evans, Stuart Ewin, John Lindsey, Craig Sayers, Greg Smith, Danielle Di Toro, Michael Walker and Jodi Willis as being scholarship holders that made the 1992 Paralympic Games squad. --LauraHale (talk) 07:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The Pinnacle, The Victorian Institute of Sport Newsletter. Issue no. 20. December 1993. VIS Olympians. Page 3. ""On-going support for disability program" Author: Kathryn Lee. Fact: Victorian Health Promotion Foundation sponsored the VIS Athlete with a Disability Squad. McNicholl, Kelly Barnes, Darren Collins, Daniele Di Toro, John Lindsay, Michael Norton, Greg Smith, Jodi Willis and Trish Whittaker were all named to the elite squad.  Article also says: "Brian McNicholl won the 90kg category of the World Weightlifting Cup held in Britain in October. The disabled weightlifters do two different types of bench press and Brian's total of 410kg was a new world record."--LauraHale (talk) 08:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The Pinnacle, The Victorian Institute of Sport Newsletter. Issue no. 36. August 1996. VIS Olympians. Page 3. "New VIS Scholarship Holders Announced" The article says "Twenty-two athletes from nine different sports received scholarships under the VIS Athletes with a Disability Program. From this group, 17 VIS scholarship holders represented Australia at the 1996 Paralympic Games which were held in Atlanta, Georgia between August 15 - 25." Tony Grotto was listed as a trim time scholarship (paraplegic, did not compete at 1996 Games) and Brian McNicholl was listed as a full time scholarship (polio). --LauraHale (talk) 08:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The Pinnacle, The Victorian Institute of Sport Newsletter. Issue no. 23. June 1994. Page 4. 1994 Athletes of the Month. "April - Brian McNicholl" Article says "Wheelchair weightlifter Brian McNicholl was named the Victorian Institute of Sport's Athlete of the Month for April after winning his division at the World Disabled Weightlifting Championships.  Brian broke his own world record to win the 90-kilogram division at the Championships which were held in Melbourne.  His combined total lift for the power lift and bench press was 422.5 kilograms." --LauraHale (talk) 08:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

THE FUNDAY GAMES COUNTDOWN - OLYMPICS, Sunday Telegraph (Sydney, Australia) - Sunday, March 19, 2000, Edition: 1, Section: Features, Page: E25. Quote from article: "Just a minute! Paralympian forced to give up his dream  PARALYMPIAN Brian McNicholl last week announced his retirement from the sport of power-lifting only months before the Sydney Paralympic Games begin. The three-times world champion, who cited a shoulder injury as the reason for his retirement from the sport, said it was a tough decision to make, but one he had no choice about. ``I was so much looking forward to competing in Sydney, which I believe will be an Australian athlete's dream come true, McNicholl said. ``My own hope was to compete in my last Paralympics in Australia, and complete my life of competition in the most memorable of ways by winning gold in my home country -- but, unfortunately, this is not to be. --LauraHale (talk) 09:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Coach talk of the town, Herald Sun (Melbourne, Australia) - Saturday, March 18, 2000, Author: RON REED, Edition: 1 - FIRST, Section: Sport, Page: 086. Start quote from article: IT'S worth saying ``bad luck, but well done'' to Melbourne powerlifter Brian McNicholl, who retired because of a debilitating shoulder injury this week. McNicholl has competed at every Paralympics since 1972, winning a gold, two silvers and a bronze, but will miss competing at his hometown Games. --LauraHale (talk) 09:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thanks very much! Seems that the most useful article is Joe Hogan's 1996 piece in The Australian. Graham 87 07:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I probably have about 10 more sources from the VIS Pinacle newsletter.  There is one that did a profile on him.  Example of non profile information is like the one mentioned above:
 * The Pinnacle, The Victorian Institute of Sport Newsletter. Issue no. 17. June 1993. VIS Olympians. Page 5. "Disabled weighlifting" by Kathryn Lee. "On 10 and 11 April 1993, VIS Assistant Weightlifting Coach Martin Leach was invited to conduct a training camp in Brisbane for a group of disabled weightlifters from around Australia. The successful camp was held in conjunction with the 1993 Queensland Invitational Games where VIS athlete, Brian McNicholl, broke ten Australian records in the 100kg class.  Brian normall competes in the 90kg class."
 * If you want, I can (and may anyway) try to get that information for inclusion in this article. For 1992 to 1999, I now know where to turn for some information for Victorian athletes.--LauraHale (talk) 07:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that we should only note world records in and/or world championships, otherwise the article would become unwieldy. I wonder what the two different types of benchpress are? Graham 87 15:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Victorian Institute of Sport Award of Excellence
This source says that he won the Victorian Institute of Sport Award of Excellence in 1992, but isn't specific about which category or the reason. The first fact (and the second one as well, if possible) should be noted if this tidbit makes it into the article. Graham 87 08:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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