Talk:Bridge over Troubled Water/Archive 1

Capitalization, or not, of "Over"
I just came across a small feud on this issue and so thought it wise to start a discussion about it. Apparently some people think that it should be "Bridge over Troubled Water" and others think that "Bridge Over Troubled Water" is more correct. Not being any sort of expert on this I'd tend to look at what the authors wrote on their album cover. Note that it says "Simon and Garfunkel" and "Bridge Over Troubled Water", indicating that they did indeed intend for the O to be capitalized.

What is the reasoning behind enforcing a different capitalization?

It is also worth noting that both ways are currently, untidily being used on the page. aLii 14:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) The authors didn't typeset the album cover...
 * 2) See Manual of Style:
 * "Convention: In titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for), prepositions (in, to, over, through) or articles (an, a, the)." --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The authors may not have personally typeset the cover, but are you suggesting that they did not have any input and did not approve of this cover? Do you have a citation?
 * After following the link Manual of Style I do not find anything about album titles etc. I assume you meant: Naming conventions. It seems useful for cases where there is no set capitalization, for example the new Pearl Jam album is entirely printed in capitals, or for when differing conventions are used (can't think of a good example off hand). However is this not a case of "unless it is unique"? aLii 00:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Infact after just scanning over my CD collection it has only just occured to me that approx 80% of albums are written in all capitals. Others are written entirely in lowercase and the rest conform to the above naming convention anyway. Bridge Over Troubled Water is actually quite rare in allowing us to have this discussion at all, further leading me to believe that it should probably be considered a unique case. aLii 01:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Horn credits
It would be good to know who played the horns on this album; it has a great horn arrangement on "Keep the Customer Satisfied", tenor sax solo on "Baby Driver" and flute solo "So Long, Frank lloyd Wright". --Design 08:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:BridgeWater.jpg
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Demo Link
I was about to remove the link to a YouTube upload of the Bridge Over Troubled Water demo when I noticed that it had already been removed and reverted several times. The video is clearly a copyright violation, so it shouldn't be linked to. If people want to hear the performance they should buy the album, purchase the track online, or try free napster. 24.21.245.247 15:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

No.1 in the UK
This has 4th most weeks at No.1 in the UK. Well this may change that: George Harrison at Number one, but I'm trying to find out how true this is. I can't imagine where they're getting these figures from after all these years.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
There has been some controversy lately concerning the trivia section. A point was made that on the album cover it appears as though Art Garfunkel has a large moustache. It may seem like a trivial point to make but nevertheless, it is quite interesting and makes you wonder if it was intentional. I think this point should remain as it's not a point of view statement but rather a novelty fact. Anyway, can someone please put this issue to bed so we can get on with our lives? FreddyKruger (talk) 07:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it appears that there has been some controversy involving editors not following Wikipedia policies. While it looks to you and maybe even others like he has a "large moustache," it really just appears that Simon is standing in front of Garfunkel enough to obscure the lower half of Garfunkel's head. Now you think it looks like a moustache and have continously inserted it as trivia (does the moustache comprise all of Simon's hair? I just don't get it.) I could say that it doesn't look like a moustache and give a reason as to why it's that way. If you know anything of the history of the two people you would know that they both pretty much hated each other by the time that album came out. I could say that Paul intentionally obscured Art's head on the cover because they were in a feud. Both of them are unsourced, POV-pushing, original research related claims that do not belong in the article. By the way, trivia sections are discouraged under Wiki standards. For the record, the article has been semi-protected for 1 week because of the anonymous IPs who have an obsession with this. Atlantabravz (talk) 13:53, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

You seem to have made more edits than anyone else so I'd say the obsession is yours too. You sound a bit distressed about this issue. You will learn through experience others have differing opinions to yours and you need to respect that. Now that this issue has been resolved we can get on with our lives. I hope you have a wonderful day FreddyKruger (talk) 20:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I would say that my "obsession" involves following Wiki's policies. You mentioned about differing opinions, but you must understand that Wiki deals in facts--facts that can be sourced, verified, are neutral, and especially not original research. You are correct in that people may have differing opinions, but on some things we must maintain the Wiki standard. Atlantabravz (talk) 21:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is full of unsourced information. If we were to go through every article and delete all the unsourced info then there would be not much left. If you continue to make pedantic edits then you will just end up annoying people rather than being productive. Anyway, let's agree to disagree and go our own seperate ways now. Have a nice day FreddyKruger (talk) 21:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The Boxer/Baby Driver
How could "The Boxer" and "Baby Driver" have been recorded in Nov. '69, when both songs had been previously released on a single back in May 1969? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.74.62 (talk) 16:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)