Talk:Bridgewater Canal/Archive 2

250-year anniversary
I'm not sure yet of the exact date, but this year marks the 250th anniversary of the opening of this canal. I wonder if anyone would be prepared to join me in getting this prepared for FAC, so that on the day/week/month concerned, we might have it ready? Parrot of Doom 19:09, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I presume you mean the Worsley to Manchester section, as the canal did not open through to Runcorn until March 1776. (Starkey (1990) p. 126) (Plenty of time to get ready for that!) --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:40, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

When did work start on the Barton Aqueduct?
The article currently says that "His aqueduct was built relatively quickly for the time; work commenced in September 1760 and the first boat crossed on 17 July 1761", which contradicts a source I've been reading, Barton's Bridges, Atkinson (2002). The second Act of Parliament was obtained in March 1760, and work apparently got underway immediately, as there are reports from July 1760 of the embankments being formed. Sixteen months to build seems more credible to me than 10 months, but still pretty quick for the time. Eric  Corbett  20:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The source used is from 1812. Now normally I'd say that, being so old, it could be disregarded, but its author may have a different view on what an aqueduct is.  For instance, the approaches and wooden formers may have been built in March, but the stonework later.
 * What I do know is that there's a plaque under the canal on Barton Lane, and I'd be quite happy to go past it and take a photograph to see what it says. I'm sure it's something to do with part of the Brindley aqueduct stonework being moved there and saved. Parrot of Doom 20:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah ignore that, the arch crossed Barton Lane and was moved to its present location in 1894. Parrot of Doom 20:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the Barton Memorial Arch, which was built from some of the stone from Brindley's aqueduct? I just checked the map you linked to. The memorial is right at the top of Barton Lane by the traffic lights, very easy to miss. I must have driven past there hundreds of times and never noticed it until I went looking for it yesterday. Eric   Corbett  20:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the one. Parrot of Doom 21:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well if you're ever going past there again a pic of the arch would be good for the Barton Aqueduct article. I didn't see a plaque there when I looked yesterday though. Eric   Corbett  22:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit war
Parrot of Doom replied to my comparative edit in the lead about prior canals which this beats, chiefly from the Pennine Waterways leaflet linked to in the article ''this is poorly-phrased and not an improvement. And the [Bridgewater Canal] is most certainly often considered the first canal in Britain.''

I have done little more than fix the twin faults of that expression:

1. Considered by whom?

Use verifiable facts instead to make a similar point on firsts...

2. Unpublished research stated to be "often considered" is the same as "most" is not what wikipedia is for. I hate to labour the manual of style and content rules so much in my arguments, but surely can everyone see the point of verifable comparisons to other older canals here and abroad. The first to support mass manufacturing may well be true - but needs a source. But I think you cannot write "popularly is the first canal". I see it's not true see the Wey Navigation and Lee Navigation are much older arterial canals, just within my local region. And if an editor/reader despises reading technical terms for this first series of "cuttings" "tunnels", and "viaducts" (which are assiduously linked) consult the SIMPLE ENGLISH version of the encyclopaedia, which is never more lengthy or complex than BBC1 News! - Adam37   Talk  19:10, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I could easily find any number of sources which reinforce the claim that the Bridgewater is popularly considered to be Britain's first true canal (ie independent of rivers, etc). But that aside, your edits aren't improvements because they literally make no sense.  "The Bridgewater Canal presented the first British canal with the full range of hill-scaling tunnels" - the canal neither presented nor presents nothing, it's just a canal.  And "the full range" implies that there's only one canal in the world with a "full range" of hill scaling tunnels, whatever they might be.  "one of the first to do in the world after the Canal du Midi" and "in France, which has viaducts and deep cuttings" are farcical sentences, and there's no need to capitalise duke.


 * I don't suggest this article is perfect - far from it, the whole thing needs a complete copyedit or three and huge sections lopping out, but letting your edits stand would only make it worse. Parrot of Doom 19:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * How utterly negative. - Adam37   Talk  20:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Map of canal
According to the article (and the OS map), the canal starts ends in Leigh. Leigh is off the top of the map roughly above Warrington. The map only shows the canal as far as Eccles. The map shown needs to be completed. Op47 (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The file was taken from Manchester Ship Canal which is why it's incomplete. You could always complete it yourself if you like, although you'd need to copy the image to a new file. Parrot of Doom 22:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

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Extension Act 1762
"The Act included several stipulations: the canal should not come within 325 metres (1,066 ft) of his house; the towpath should be on the south side of the canal, furthest away from Brooke's house; there should be no quays, buildings, hedges or fences to obstruct the view; no vessels were to be moored within 1,000 metres (3,281 ft) of the house ..."

Since there was no metric system at the time, these and other distances, heights, etc look suspicious to me. Can anyone verify? Jim.henderson (talk) 21:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)