Talk:Brigade of Gurkhas/Archive 1

Source for this??
"As a result they are arguably the best soldiers in the world."

Who says? I could state "GiJoe are arguably the best soldiers in the world." and would be so good like this. Sounds really fishy and made up...

Hence arguably —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.120.98 (talk) 22:35, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Merge request
I have made a merger request in Duplicate_articles to this article into Gurkhas. Reading through both articles unwittingly gives readers a sense of deja vu, as it did for me, because ulitimately one cant help talking about one without mentioning the other in-depth, since as I mentioned in the merge request, that Gurkhas are commonly formed in Brigades or similar organisations in armies where they are deployed in, and that was were they became famous. Combining the two articles should create a single, well-writtern article with an appriopriate length worthy for refinement into WP:FA status in future.--Huaiwei 22:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * But what would the merged article be about - the British Army unit or the people from Nepal? I realise there is a lot of overlap in the articles at the moment but I think there are two seperate topics there.  Cjrother 19:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Both. The content about the British Army Units are just as good being in the second half of the article, although I would perhaps agree that if the overlapping content is reduced, then we can maintain two articles.--Huaiwei 19:38, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Gurkha and Brigade of Gurkhas are two distinct and different topics. The former is about a social group of the Indian subcontinent, mostly residing in Nepal, whereas the later is about the soldiers, mostly belonging to this social group. Merging the two is like merging an article on Sikhs with the Sikh Regiment or vice versa.  Accordingly, I shall be removing the merger notice shortly. Further comments are invited. I have palced the similar opinion on these articles talk pages. I do agree compacting the duplicate contents as suggested by Huaiwei.--Bhadani 14:26, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If you look at Sikh Regiment, it certainly does not discuss on Sikhs to the point of rivalling content in the later, compared to what we have in the above two articles. Please rewrite accordingly before removing the merge notice, because the concerns remains valid until corrected.--Huaiwei 22:03, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

The Brigade of Gurkhas is about a unit of the British Army which came into existance during Indian independence. The article about Gurkhas and particularly Gurkhas in the British Indian Army and, until there is enough information to justify a seperate article, Gorkha in the Indian Army. So I support a removal of the merge notice. --Philip Baird Shearer 00:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Unité d'instruction de la brigade Gurkha

Controversy / Clarification / Vandalism
My "update" of the web page was removed as it contained no relevant citations. True and fair, my apologies for this oversight. It was not, however, either vandalism or "derogatory at best". As a retired British officer who served in the Brigade of Gurkhas through what was almost certainly their worst period in history I was being objective about both the recent past and the future (where I was optomistic, certainly not derogatory).

Reference to the ineffectiveness of 1/7 GR in the Falklands, which led directly to their not being involved in any direct fire operations (as confirmed in the same reference) can be found in the Official History of the Falkland Islands by Lawrence Freedman, which is a Cabinet Office official history. The War Diary of the Welsh Guards reports that 1/7GR were very difficult to deal with as they did not know the location of their fwd posns nor did they answer to their C/S.

Reference to the mutiny by Support Company 1/7 GR in Hawaii in 1986, resulting in no formal charges but the administrative discharge of the complete Company can be found in the Nepali Times, where it states that 111 Gurkha soldiers on training in Hawaii were disciplined for mutinous behaviour and dismissed en masse.

No records are available from MOD as these are classified, and disciplinary action taken by and within the military is also classified and exempt from reports in civilian records.

I have deliberately not named any of the officers or individuals concerned. This not intended to open a debate on the subject matter, but is intended to improve and update the web page objectively; at the moment it is no more than a one-sided piece of publicity written by those who were serving in the Brigade at the time and who are certainly not going to declare any shortcomings there may have been. Military history is about strengths and weaknesses and deserves more accuracy than that.--Whygurkhas? (talk) 18:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)Why Gurkhas

Gurkha Independent Parachute Company
I have deleted the statement that the Independent Para Coy "worked with the SAS" and "ended up as a commando unit" as they are both misleading and incorrect and, furthermore, are not supported in any way by the units own entry in Wikipedia (which is accurate). (1) 2 members of the SAS assisted in their training - nothing more. (2) They were deployed alongside a Commando unit (3 Cdo Bde) which was operating in an infantry role, not the other way round.--Whygurkhas? (talk) 17:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)Whygurkhas?

Nepal Long Leave
As Gurkhas now serve on similar TACOS (Terms and Conditions of Service) to British troops the entitlement to NLL in addition to 20 days annual leave + 8 annual public holidays + 12 days nepali/religious holidays ended on 1 Jan 2007; they now receive 30 days annual leave + 8 annual public holidays.

... Officers described them as ...
This is unsourced and irrelevant - any officer could describe them as anything!Whygurkhas? (talk) 17:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)Whygurkhas?

Status as mercenaries
The article doesn't really explain why they're not classed as mercenaries. Protocol 1 to the 1949 convention is mentioned but it doesn't say anything specifically relevant, unless it's the fact that mercenaries are supposed to be paid more than regular soldiers and Gurkhas are paid less? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.11.134 (talk) 23:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

See Protocol 1, Article 47, Part 2e: 'A mercenary is any person who: ...(e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict'. For example: Full Text at ICRC Troops of the Brigade of Gurkhas are part of the British Army and therefore not mercenaries. IxK85 (talk) 08:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Eligible for British Citizenship
Okay so these guys fiercely defend the British Crown, but can they become British Citizens? Do they get a British pension ... what is their retirement like? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.24.67 (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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