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Vandalism by continuously reverting improvements unrelated to what he's referring to in the summaries
Okay, guys, so claims that we "shouldn't use" LDS jargon like "elder" and "sister," etc. Or even "LDS" for that matter. I've gone and read MOS:LDS and I see that it says that about "Elder" and "Sister," etc., when using the term for leaders of the LDS church after the lead, and the LDS WikiMOS says this about it:

"Do not use ecclesiastical titles such as 'Elder', 'President', 'Brother', or 'Sister' when referring to leaders of a church, except in the lead section at first occurrence of the name. For example, write 'McConkie published a book entitled Mormon Doctrine ...' not 'Elder McConkie published a book entitled Mormon Doctrine ...' After first occurrence, the use of an article subject's surname is sufficient and conforms to general encyclopedic style." But this MOS does not tell us that we can't use the terms "elder" and "sister," etc. in a general sense, when referring to missionaries.

So we have 3 problems with jimmmy's changes, not only to this article but to my talk page:

1. Every time he reverted my changes, he vandalized my unrelated changes by changing them back even though he was only concerned with the jargon. So if he thinks he has the right to do that, then I have the right to redo my changes that are unrelated to the jargon back, and disregard whether the jargon changes are remade, the same way as he undid the jargon without regard for my other changes. So I said that if he wants to undo my jargon changes, then he needs to concentrate on undoing ONLY those changes rather than all the other stuff too. Meanwhile, he acts like he has more authority than I do to change things back including the unrelated changes by spoiling my talk page with a "vandalism" warning (I've already erased his vandalism there but you know where to go to still see it). Is it not his responsibility to undo ONLY the changes that have to do with what he's concerned about, rather than undoing everything else from that edit too?

2. So as you look at my talk page's history you can see that jim falsely accused my good-faith changes of being "vandalism," which breaks Assume good faith. Is it not his responsibility to not falsely accuse my changes back of being vandalism, since especially the changes that are unrelated to jargon are improvements that make things more concise, such as replacing "two years in length" with something like "lasts two years"?

3. As far as using jargon goes, we can use it to refer to an LDS bishop or a Catholic bishop, or terms of other clergy, so why should we not be allowed to use the LDS-specific terms for missionaries?

So even if jargon were not an issue here, what is my main issue is actually that jim was undoing more than what he was complaining about and then falsely accusing me of being a vandal for it. So should I not be allowed to restore everything and make him only make the changes that he's complaining should be done? And should he not be calling my edits "vandalism" (again, see my talk page history) for that?

Now when I return, I may have another IP address. That's all right; it just changes when it wants to. But for now I'll be known as 174.23.183.180 (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC), where jim left his bogus "vandalism" warning against me.

External links modified
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national championships
If somebody wants to go do some research, might be nice to list the 14 national championships like "football, volleyball, women's cross country..."? :) Rogerdpack (talk) 17:26, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Alumni status reconciled
I have modified the language in the "Alumni" section regarding Philo Farnsworth to reconcile it with the "Notable Research and Awards" mention of him. Philo Farnsworth only briefly attended BYU in the early 1920's before having a falling out with the department and moving to Salt Lake City. He returned to the university in 1967 to conduct fusion research and was granted an honorary degree at that time, therefore I edited those references in a series of four edits (mentioned below) to fix an incorrect reference--my bad--and clarify the language. Changes include: 16:10, 13 August 2020‎ Playerpage talk contribs‎ m 141,454 bytes +36‎  Further clarified language regarding Philo Farnsworth. undo 15:57, 13 August 2020‎ Playerpage talk contribs‎ 141,418 bytes -75‎  Fixed reference error by using standard reference, after reconciling "Alumni" section language with language in "Notable Research and Awards" section. 15:50, 13 August 2020‎ Playerpage talk contribs‎ 141,493 bytes +9‎  →‎Notable research and awards: Updated language on Philo Farnsworth to give date of his honorary degree and to reflect his status as first broadcaster (San Francisco 1927) and recognized inventor (patent office 1934) of television 15:45, 13 August 2020‎ Playerpage talk contribs‎ 141,484 bytes +123‎  Alumni error. Replaced factually inaccurate statement implying that Philo Farnsworth graduated from BYU. 1967 honorary degree only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Playerpage (talk • contribs) 16:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

type: space grant
is it normal for us universities to be designated "space grant" in the infobox? --2001:470:5105:0:31C9:6236:9346:CEA9 (talk) 23:53, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, land grant, sea grant, and space grant status should be listed there, though it's not always done consistently. -- Beland (talk) 00:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * First, you need to verify that the institution is actually part of those programs. It is not, for example, a land-grant university.
 * Second, if it is part of the "Sea Grant" and "Space Grant" programs, why should those be included in the "Type" parameter of the infobox? How have they shaped the institution in ways that are so significant that we can say that the institution is of their "type?" (Note I think this argument is settled for any institution that is a land-grant university, particularly the first one or two land-grant acts; those acts imposed significant requirements on the curricular offerings and service mission of the institutions. There have been many scholarly articles and books on that topic.) ElKevbo (talk) 01:23, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Athletics
Hi all! I have noticed that several IP addresses have recently found a need to edit the athletics section regarding various athletes. I presume that other athletes which did not win "national awards" are just as notable as those who did. In other words, Tyler Haws and Kyle Collinsworth, while they may not have won such national recognition, are notable enough to be mentioned, especially due to their ncaa records and making it to professional leagues. Just wanted to get the community's agreement before I added them back. Thoughts? Rollidan (talk) 17:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I already added them back, probably while you were typing this, with an invitation to take it to this talk page if the editors felt they did not belong. ChristensenMJ (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

You need to set up criteria for what makes an athlete notable and what does not. Ty Detmer, Danny Ainge were all more noted at BYU than Haws or Collinsworth. Steve Young, Kyle Van Noy are all more noted pros. The limitation to basketball only with 5 year low profile stars is odd. Also BYU winning a Football national championship in 1984 is still commented on nationally. -Some guy on the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:C8C0:6C7:3849:C68:17F2:8BCE (talk) 11:11, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Salt Lake Tribune
Sourced information should not be deleted without proper discussion. Gain WP:CONSENSUS for your edits.

I have opened a WP:FTN topic about it. A new wave of fideism is preparing to wreak havoc at BYU and the IP thinks it's WP:UNDUE. If one removes genuine scholarship from a university, what remains is a ruin. Holland's unintended consequences are transforming BYU into the laughing stock of the academia. Or he will simply lose the game, as previous two waves of fideism did. tgeorgescu (talk) 18:05, 24 September 2021 (UTC)