Talk:Brioni Agreement

Croatia
This article says startlingly little about Croatia's participation. - Oreo Priest  talk 03:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Brijuni Agreement → Brioni Agreement – Reliable English-language sources, at least by the parameters I used to measure them (previewable books), overwhelmingly favor "Brioni" over "Brijuni". See also PDFs: "Brioni" versus "Brijuni". Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 12:43, 23 October 2012 (UTC) - Biruitorul Talk 02:43, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks like a straightforward WP:COMMONNAME issue. GregorB (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I concur with the basic premise, but when I look at those results, I see that we actually have an ambiguity - there was a separate "Brioni Agreement" in 1942, and a "Brioni Declaration" of 1991, and I'm thinking that the latter name would be better suited to unequivocally describe the topic at hand. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 11:49, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW your google searches are unclean. Here are some:
 * http://www.google.com/search?q=%22brioni+agreement%22+1991&tbo=1&tbm=bks&pws=0 - there, click through to the last page to see "150 results"
 * http://www.google.com/search?q=%22brioni+declaration%22+1991&tbo=1&tbm=bks&pws=0 - there, click through to the last page to see "58 results"
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=1&q=%22brioni+agreement%22+1991+filetype:pdf&pws=0 - click through to the last page, click through the link to show even the omitted duplicates, and finally see "151 results"
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=1&q=%22brioni+declaration%22+1991+filetype:pdf&pws=0 - ditto, arriving at "93 results"
 * --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 12:00, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, I must admit I have a reservation towards the end result, which is somewhat counter-intuitive: Brioni Agreement vs Brijuni. And I have explicitly supported both of these titles using basically the same argument (see Talk:Brijuni). Go figure. GregorB (talk) 14:03, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No, stay with consistency with Brijuni - these sources are way too mixed (Croatian name, Slovene name, Italian name) to be adopting into English an Italian exonym for a document signed on a Croatian island when we don't use the Italian exonym for the Croatian Island itself. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to give some pretty unassailable sources (rather than just searches) using "Brioni" and referring to the 1991 document:, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,.
 * I do appreciate your perspective, but if you want to make a really compelling case for "Brijuni", you'd have to present similar sources for that name. Remember, the current name of a locality (even the official name at the time) is not by itself an argument for using that name. Hence, Jassy–Kishinev Offensive, Battle of Zsibó, Battle of Brassó, Battle of Rymnik, Battle of Kagul, Leghorn Hills, Council of Constantinople, Canton porcelain, etc. - Biruitorul Talk 14:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, Support 144x for Brioni Agreement, 4x for Brijuni Agreement in Google Scholar. Go with it. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Removal of sourced material
Please refrain from removing sourced material, such behaviour may be interpreted as disruptive. Also, please refrain from "renaming" Croatia and Slovenia in the article as "SR" (Socialist Republic) - they were not called SRs for quite a long time before the agreement - more than half a year as a matter of fact, and were declared independent a couple of weeks before the agreement itself. Finally, I reverted name of the islands to the WP:COMMONNAME. Please do not modify it either, the name is not only common, but it is also the contemporary name. Cheers.--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:24, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

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