Talk:Brisbane Airport/Archive 1

Name
Brisbane Airport is the official name of the Airport. Please leave the article with this name. The airport is a very large one, with both an International Terminal and a Domestic Terminal. Figaro 06:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Do Lufthansa and British Airways fly to Brisbane? From what I know, they only code share on Singapore Airlines and Qantas respectively, but I do not think they use their own metal to land in Brisbane. 11:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Full information about all the airlines can be found at the official Brisbane Airport website. There is a link to the Brisbane Airport official website at the 'External links' section of the main article.  Figaro 14:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Brisbane Airport infobox
In spite of what Zyxw claimed, he hasn't fixed what I was trying to fix, at all. I wanted "Brisbane" to link to "Brisbane", "Queensland" to link to "Queensland", and "Australia" to link to "Australia", the way things used to be, before the info box format was changed, and the way it should be. I did not want "Brisbane, Queensland, Australia" to link to "Brisbane", which is how Zyxw has left it. So the problem remains, unresolved. Figaro 15:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I have modified the infobox so that "Brisbane" links to "Brisbane", "Queensland" links to "Queensland", and "Australia" links to "Australia". Unfortunately, there are now square brackets appearing before "Brisbane", and following "Australia".  Any suggestions as to how to cure this problem would be appreciated.


 * People in other countries have adopted a similar way of doing things to correct the situation, until the problem no longer exists with the infobox. Figaro 07:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Figaro, as I said at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports/infobox Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Infobox Airport/Archive 3, what's the problem? The state/division and country are specified in the article proper, the infobox just gives a quick link for the area served. Thanks/wangi 00:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Article or Brochure?
This article doesn't look even remotely like an encyclopedia article. Instead we've put together a brochure for the brisbane airport. To top it off, the second anyone adds the sort of information that you'd expect to see in an encyclopedia, it's moved to the bottom because we don't want it getting in the way of the brochure!

Sorry guys but this is ridiculous. I propose we remove the Brochure and write a wikipedia article.

Factoid Killer 13:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

More specifically i'm suggesting we do the following:
 * 1) Remove this section 'Access to Brisbane Airport by car and train'
 * 2) Put the History section back at the top (like it is in the Sydney Airport article)
 * 3) Followed by terminals
 * 4) Add more information about the history of the airport
 * 5) Add some more statistics about the airport

Factoid Killer 13:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Most of this has since been done by various editors. --Arnzy (whats up?)  09:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

What's with all the runways?
Listed in this article are six (!) runways. I thought, wow this must be a huge airport, so I took a quick glimpse in Google Earth and I could find exactly 2 runways; 01/19 (11,709 feet seems closest of the two 01/19 in the list) and 14/32. So, what is this all about? --Unsound 04:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It currently only has 2, as you surmised. The extra 4 were only just added 5 days ago. They were added by User:Figaro who could explain why the extra 4 were added. Rimmeraj 04:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not add the extra 4 runways - somebody else did. I merely tidied up the infobox. Incidentally, it would appear that 'two' of the runways listed are probably the same one - but I am only guessing. Figaro 09:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Arnzy fixed it while we were discussing ;) --Unsound 13:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Apologies Figaro for assuming you intended to add the runways, I appears you unintentionally added the extra runways as they were added during an edit you made when tidying up the info box. Removing them was the correct action then. Rimmeraj 22:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
I was pointed in the direction of this article from the "articles needing attention" area on the WikiProject_Aviation project page. I've started tidying up the minor grammar mistakes, but there's quite a bit of style & presentation work to be done. For instance, the whole first section is little more than disparate tidbits that aren't noteworthy.

Just chiming in to say what I'm up to. E dog95 02:22, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge of Brisbane Airport Corporation Limited into this article
The result was merge. Euryalus (talk) 01:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

As part of my companies cleanup project, I have come across the above article and there does not seem to be a real need for a seperate article on the managing corporation. All if not the majority of information contained within the article in question is relevant to the airport and would be better served by it's merger into the Brisbane Airport article with a small section covering the BACL in respect of it being the management and holding company for the airport. Thewinchester (talk) 14:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll read both & chime in with what I come up with. E dog95 02:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've looked at the articles & the proposal appears to be a "no brainer". This will simplify and consolidate information regarding the airport. I'd be willing to start the process. E dog95 04:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I support the merge. I've just did an edit of Brisbane Airport Corporation Limited, and what I intended to be a quick link fix ended up also combining no less than three mentions of BAC's ownership into one, and the removal of a PR-esque, prophetic sentence of the proposed parallel runway "open(ing) up (BNE) to the new Airbus A380" – it has already been without it.  The article is smaller now and even more suited as a section in Brisbane Airport. Seo75 01:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Given the unanimous support for a merge and the absence of any comments for six months, I have merged the relevant data from the Corporation page under a subheading of "Management" in this article. The bulk of material from the Corporation page was already here, so all we had left was a paragraph on the ownership of the Airport Corporation company and the lease length. Feel free to change my wording, it was largely a cut and paste and isn't exactly rivetting prose. Euryalus (talk) 01:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Suburbs around Brisbane Airport
According to Hamilton, Queensland and Ascot, Queensland, Brisbane Airport is to the North-East of these suburbs; doesn't that imply that they should be shown to the South-West of Brisbane Airport on this page? Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Section "Operations"
The section "Operations" was added on 9 April 2008, removed on 10 April, then&mdash;with slight modifications&mdash;added again a few hours later, only changing the name of "Kingsford Smith" to "Brisbane". However, the content of the table is still the same. To which airport to those numbers pertain? I'm asking because I can't verify those tables from the provided sources because they just lead to an index page and I haven't been able to find the documents which contain the numbers quoted. I suggest to delete this section unless more verifiable sources are provided. Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

My suspicion is that the original poster of the content copied the table from the SYD page, and changes the numbers, forgetting to change the name of the table. The statistics are located in the following two PDFs http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/24/Files/Domestic%20Airline%20Activity%20Annual%202006%2007.pdf http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/04/Files/FY07.pdf On this rationale, I will be restoring the Operations section. Mvjs (talk) 06:09, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Port Moresby Service
Pacific Blue have simply requested capacity to Port Moresby and that in no way necessitates confirmed service. It is appropriate to list it in the prospective/planned/possible services section but certainly not in the Airlines and destinations table. The airlines and destinations table is a place for current services or officially confirmed future services. Mvjs (talk) 10:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Article Layout
Wikipedia and the aviation Project is not about pleasantness or prettiness, unfortunately. Those are good characteristics for articles, certainly. However, there also exist project-wide standards, that are followed across airport articles; Brisbane Airport cannot be an exception for no good reason. Anyone who wishes to change the hierarchy and layout, please refer to the established layout for airport articles before doing so. Thanks, Jasepl (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello M i k e y 86. Please see WP:AN3#User:M i k e y 86 reported by Bidgee (talk) (Result: ). Your behavior does look like edit warring. "Please discuss with me before changing" makes it sound like you own the article, and others need to ask for your permission. Per WP:BRD, if your work is undone, you should hold a discussion before continuing to revert. In spite of reverting the airport article many times, you've never posted anything at Talk:Brisbane Airport. If you wish to avoid a block, it would be wise to respond to the complaint at WP:AN3. EdJohnston (talk) 03:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:M_i_k_e_y_86"

Comment from user m_i_k_e_y_86: my comments Please discuss with me before changing dont not mean that I own it, but users can have the courtesy to discuss first before changing it. As for the edit warring claim, what you are doing is exactly the same, your undoing my work and you are engaging in an edit war too! So maybe you should discuss on the talk page if u wish not to be blocked. I responded to the message that was left on my talk page, so it is not like I have not engaged in contact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M i k e y 86 (talk • contribs) 07:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Article protected for five days to encourage discussion and consensus on the issue. If need be, use WP:DR. Please try to come to consensus, as if anyone were to start a revert war once protection goes away, then they're likely to face immediate blocks. NJA (t/ c)  20:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Aviation weather links
Canadian and American airports generally contain a link to an aviation weather source in their external link section. Why should airports in this country be different? DSatYVR (talk) 22:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

China Southern - Brisbane
Wikipedia user 58.110.107.177 seems to think that China Southern will be launching Brisbane-Auckland services however this is doubt as to whether this will happen. Admittedly the older travel industry articles mention that services will operate Guangzhou – Brisbane - Auckland, however Brisbane Airport Corporation and Tourism Queensland make no mention of Auckland services, and if Auckland services were to start, one would think that both would mention this as it's more capacity into Queensland and would have the potential to bring more NZ-based passengers to Queensland.

Amadeus.net has the following schedule in the system:

Guangzhou – Brisbane CZ381 CAN2100 – 0745+1BNE 332 136 CZ382 BNE0915 – 1620CAN 332 247

Again, no mention of Auckland. Similarly, a search on China Southern's own website mentions only Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne as being their only Oceania ports and a dummy booking also reveals the abovementioned scheduled, with a 0745 arrival into Brisbane and out at 0915. This confirms that it will be a terminator service with a standard turn-around of 1hr 30mins. Auckland is therefore not possible to be served wit the current schedule in place, meaning AKL services have been dropped or China Southern now itends to operate nonstop services from China to Auckland (this would therefore have no bearing on Brisbane).

58.110.107.17, the references you have posted are poorly written or not reliable sources. It's ironic that the Frequent Flyer forum link you posted confirms that Auckland services have been dropped, once again showing the schedule above.

Please feel free to re-add Auckland once a confirmed schedule is provided. A confirmed schedule on the carrier's website supersedes any other form of information not from the carrier itself.

VHOEJ (talk) 05:47, 5 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by VHOEJ (talk • contribs) 05:43, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

China Southern at BNE
An IP continues to add Beijing as a China Southern destination. Me and another editor continued to revert his edits for 2 reasons: 1. CAN is a China Southern hub and the flight stops at CAN before going on to PEK (Project standard states that "avoid listing direct flights that stop at a domestic hub") and since CAN is a CZ hub chances of no plane change is very slim. 2) There is no firm date for service to PEK and "Winter 2011" is NOT a date and the source is a personal blog (which is not a reliable source). Don't know if PEK should be added to this. Comments?

Full quote from WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT:

7.List non-stop and direct flights only. That means the flight number and the aircraft, starts at this airport and continues to one or more airports. Avoid using the description 'via' since that is more correctly listed as another destination. If passengers can not disembark at a stop on a direct flight, then do not list it as a destination or as 'via'. Direct flights are not always non-stop flights. '''However, avoid listing direct flights that contain a stop at a domestic hub, as virtually all of these are simply flights from one "spoke city" to a hub, with the plane continuing from the hub to a second spoke city. Furthermore, these flights often involve plane changes, despite the direct designation. Including these flights dramatically increases the length of destination listings, artificially inflates the airline's presence at a location and requires constant updating, as these "timetable direct" destinations have little rhyme or reason and may change as often as every week or two.'''

Sentence in bold explain why Beijing should not be listed as a destination from Brisbane.

Snoozlepet (talk) 17:52, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * As the IP (assumably a user hopping) seems intent on disrupting as per this edit summary, and his/her/it's refusal to discuss on the talk page after the recent page lock, it'll make it very difficult to assume good faith from the IP at this stage. Hence the reverts being considered vandalism after the recent page protection. Sb617 (Talk) 16:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

History
Why is there no mention of Crib Island in this article? Factoid Killer 14:51, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I've added a history section. This will begin with what existed in the area prior to building the airport and will then include some interesting historical facts about the airport itself including the various stages of construction and alterations. Factoid Killer 16:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The original, late 40s, domestic terminals were a pair of gigantic igloos. A new terminal opened about 1971, but the international igloo remained in service. A separate new international opened on 16Dec1975, and the current one opened in 1995. VH-EAA was the last aircraft to used the old international igloo. These bits need fixing, with some reliable refs. There are three original igloo hangars remaining, including Hangar 7, now factories. One is called the 'Segment Factory', at 116 Lamington Ave. They date from WW2. The original Southern Cross hangar was an enclosed shed across the road near the Ansett igloo.220.244.78.245 (talk) 04:56, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I checked the 1952 town planning map, and the three runways of WW2 were still there, then. There was a small suburb and school at Cribb Is, which must have been bulldozed, along with Myrtleton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.75.163 (talk) 07:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

The New Runway
According to the latest satellite image from Google Earth (took at 11/12/2012, using "historical image" tool can find that), the original short runway will be suspended and building the new runway with starting the north end from the original one and parallel the long one (01/19). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.24.221 (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

The WW2 era strip 13-31 can bee seen on the 2001 image (see 1952 comment above) close to the racetrack. The start of 07? runway can be seen near the 'Dont Use' cross. The 04 threshold is just visible next to the burnt field. In 100yrs time archaeologists will be slapping preservation orders on these lumps of tar ... the self appointed will be screaming about their heritage.220.244.75.163 (talk) 07:42, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Awards and other POV edits
I have been having a discussion with editor Talk that I thought should be brought to this talk page.


 * Hi Wikiairport I notice you reverted my reversion of your edits. Rather than get into a war I thought I would just explain my reasoning.  Mostly; because it is important for Wikipedia not to sound like a publicity brochure.  And your edits sort of did to my eye.  There was a lot of my airport is better than your airport stuff.  It can be written in a much more neutral way.  Also abbreviations such as BNE probably should not be used in the text. and it is very unusual to add direct http links like you have in your edits.  There is also a bit of duplication, maybe better to add to the existing text rather than start a new paragraph. Thanks  Andrewgprout (talk) 03:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi,Understandably so, i'm mid edit at the moment hence the double-up of some information. Brisbane airport is serviced by multiple airports (Archerfield, BNE) which is why I undid your undo. Thanks for the pointers Wikiairport (talk) 03:38, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, I work at Brisbane Airport and the awards section you severely trimmed and didn't find 'notable' is actually fact and has the right to be publicly available. It is not at your discretion to play god based on your personal preference so if you would please refrain that would be greatly appreciated. The awards were credited to the appropriate sources so I don't see why you removed the majority of them?  Wikiairport (talk) 23:36, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * @Wikiairport Nowhere, if you notice, did I say the awards mentioned were not true.  What I said was that they were not notable WP:NOTE.  Because it appears that you work at the aiport it is important that you declare such a conflict of interest WP:CONFLICT.  In general it is best not to edit articles that a related to you or your employers particularly if you have trouble keeping the content neutral.  It was this point of view that led to my first concern noted above "because it is important for Wikipedia not to sound like a publicity brochure"  please see WP:NPOV.  In my edits I have tried to make the point that Brisbane is a good well respected airport that has won some awards but not be silly about mentioning every little accolade possible - many of these were minor and some very dated, Awards are not unusual most airports have more than they can rationally deal with. Andrewgprout (talk) 01:14, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Who better to provide current and accurate information than somebody who works at the airport? Understandably there is room to move as far as wording is concerned and I aim to come across as neutral as possible but taking down crucial information based on your opinion is contradicting the whole purpose of Wikipedia. Those little accolades you are referring to are actually rankings in one of the most prestigious awards in the global aviation industry and therefore SHOULD BE VIEWED in the awards section as that is exactly what it is - plain and simple. Wikiairport (talk) 03:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I wholly agree with User:Andrewgprout's sentiments. In fact, his edit collided with mine where I was to trim the article much along the same lines as his edit. As far as your comment "Who better to provide ..." goes: I strongly recommend that you read the guidelines linked above, as well as WP:LISTEN. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

New Runway developments
I tried to clean up the recently added planned new runway information but ended up deleting nearly all of it as it really didn't make sense. Most of this seems to have been cut and pasted from a Brisbane airport document (?) - complete with its own footnote numbers and abbreviations. Abbreviations such as BNE do not belong in an encyclopedia.

The orientation of the planned runway needs clarified west of the terminals Parallel to what - the current runway is pretty much east-west? or does parallel refer to parallel operations - probably best loose the word Parallel and just say new runway or third runway.Andrewgprout (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok west is probably the best description - not my initial reaction, and it is Parallel in a geometric sense. Clarified and referenced. Also found where the cut and paste came from Andrewgprout (talk) 19:57, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Andrew the primary runway 01/19 is NORTH-SOUTH. The secondary runway is nearer to EAST-WEST orientation. CHCBOY (talk) 13:47, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Destinations
I removed the destinations from the Qantas list that are not served by their own metal (Nadi and Osaka). Those destinations are flown by their partners Air Pacific and Japan Airlines respectively. Furthermore, I've also added destinations for Air NZ, they also fly to Wellington and Queenstown, and some of Garuda's flights extend to Auckland Arnzy 10:47, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. The routes to Japan are often mis read. First, I had the argument that JAL flew to Tokyo, not JALways. But now I would like to challenge a route that Jetstar takes. It said the Jetstar flew to Kansai from Brisbane. This is true but you must connect through Sydney. Although you would stay on the same aeroplane, the flight number between BNE-KIX changes in Sydney meaning it is not a direct flight. EG: Flight 001, SYD-KIX. FLIGHT 002, KIX-SYD via BNE. That is how it works. If you are not sure, please check Qantas schedualing. Aflumpire 20:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, should've made myself clearer, and also am just complying to WP:Airports guidelines. It's a triangle route, if JQ didnt fly to BNE from KIX in any way at all (for example if it just went KIX-SYD-KIX) then it should not be listed.  If it goes a triaagle route (KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX), then its okay to be listed.  Also, there are a few airlines that does this (eg the QF SYD-BOM-DRW-SYD route) See the guidelines of the Airports wikiproject i've just refered to. --Arnzy (talk · contribs) 23:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Now I understand. Aflumpire 07:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

China Eastern seasonal route was a trial service that was not successful. Flights will not be re-introduced next year. 216.73.175.222 (talk) 19:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)ETA

Qantas seasonal flights to Queenstown are operated by Jetconnect  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrensn (talk • contribs) 03:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Checked schedules, it seems to be showing up as Qantas mainline rather than Jetconnect. Sb617 (Talk) 16:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Earlier I added Wellington Airport as an Air New Zealand Charter destination cause they have been operating some charter services between Wellington and Brisbane as NZ940 and NZ941 on the 4 Oct 14 with more to come to assist Virgin Australia, I added these charter flight destination to the list but it was deleted by some persons with an ip address in Brisbane using iiNet as their isp. This would be considered as a destination on the list of charter flights but some others don't think so Mbbuser (talk) 09:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


 * mbx user I can't find any evidence in the airnz timetable that what you say is indeed so.  Even if it is I would be very careful adding this based on an occasional replacement of a va plane with a air nz one.  Andrewgprout (talk) 10:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Possible key facts?
Does anyone think the airport's ability to operate 24/7 is important enough to mention in the lead? What about the fact that it is the largest airport by area for any Australian capital city? Both statements are supported on page 6 of the Brisbane Airport 2014 Master Plan Summary Booklet. - Shiftchange (talk) 10:40, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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