Talk:Bristol/Archive 2

Suspension bridge image
The Clifton suspension bridge is an icon of the city and deserves to be an image included in the main article. Lumos3 08:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree: its possibly THE iconic image of Bristol that people are most likely to recognise; not just my opinion, but I think I speak for money when I say that. A wideshot of the supsensio

Bristol - city
I have problem to understand (for translation to cs:wiki) what means or what is difference in this statements:

Top of page - It was chartered as a city in 1155 and county in 1373.

History - Bristol was made a city in 1542, with ...

JaT 05:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * mmm, a number of issues here. The phrase "made a city" is pretty clumsy (IMHO). In the UK becoming a city involves receiving a royal charter: so there's a contradiction. Furthermore, there's no clear reference to help verify any of the dates. I'm no expert on Bristol's local history, but with some help from http://weldgen.tripod.com/bristol-history/ I would suggest that Bristol received a charter in 1155 (but not necessarily to make it a city) and that the diocese of Bristol was chartered in 1542. According to the footnote to Bristol's entry in [City_status_in_the_United_Kingdom] Bristol's City Status confirmed by Letters Patent issued under the Great Seal dated 1974-06-25 -- so I guess from that one can infer that there was some ambiguity before then. I've made edits in an attempt to clarify this. --Philbarker 17:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Where to place this sentence
The following was added to the introduction by an anon user:
 * Bristol has recently been named the second best British city (first was Edinburgh) and the top English city for quality of life by business leaders

I have moved it here because there's no real evidence of the notability of the poll. Certainly it doesn't belong in the introduction. What about the economy section or sub-page? Joe D (t) 19:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * "Quality of life" should perhaps go in the Culture section? Fig 19:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Parkour
Hi, I was just wondering if parkour could be mentioned in the culture section somewhere, we train every saturday on castle park (usually groups of up to 30) and it is one of the most popular places to train outside London. We have also been involved in media coverage on numerous occassions. :) If this is accepted I'll write something :) Mitsuko 15:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've never seen it going on, and I'm often passing by there. Are you sure it isnt more of an advert than a footnote? Fig 22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As Bristol is the largest city in the south west every club, society and activity is represented, many second only to London; Parkour is one of hundreds of such activities.  Why not expand Parkour to incorporate UK or international societies, and list Bristol in that way?  --Steve (Slf67)talk 03:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Photo at top of page
I've moved the photo of the suspension bridge above the map. It seems to be standard practice for cities to have a photo above the location map (cf. Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, etc), and in my opinion it makes for a nicer introduction to the article (it may even be policy somewhere?). I've fixed the width to try and make it fit with the infobox below.

I picked the suspension bridge as in my opinion it's the most iconic view of the city (rather than an aerial photo or similar) - does anyone think there is a better image to represent Bristol? MrBeast 22:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks alright, though that photo could do with being slightly sharper and with more contrast IMO. I don't think Rob does much Wikipedia these days, but unless I can find an alternative I'll ask if he has the original next time I seem him.  Joe D (t) 23:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised that there aren't more suspension bridge images on the commons. This one I took, but imo it's probably a bit zoomed out. - Estel (talk) 09:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a very good replica of the one we currently use, but I can offer any of these. I've uploaded the most popular of them (on the right). If the weather's good next week I'll try and get another. Joe D (t) 11:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What a great set of photos. If you were to be taking pics there next week... could you get one of the Leigh Woods abutment on which the tower stands & maybe one which illustrates the size of the chains, Eyebars etc for the (new) engineering bit of the Clifton Suspension Bridge article?&mdash; Rod talk 12:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Where's the picture of the Suspension Bridge gone? Its possibly THE iconic image of Bristol that people are most likely to recognise; not just my opinion, but I think I speak for many when I say that. A wideshot of the supsension bridge ought to be put in place of the current photo. jmperry talk 12:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Cabot Tower Photo
I have a new photograph of Cabot Tower I've taken. Could this possibly replace the one on Bristol and Cabot Tower articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xytram (talk • contribs) 22:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Refs/citations - Demographics section
I've done some work on the references of this article. In one section in particular (Demographics) I've needed to add a few { { citationneeded } } and { { check } } tags. The former are where we had a Wikipedia article as a source (against policy unfortunately) and the latter are where the information quoted appears to my eyes to contradict the source. Hopefully this can be fixed by someone with knowledge of this subject. SP-KP 17:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Rhoticity
Specified that unique for large cities. There are other urban areas with rhoticity. Corby, having adopted in from Scotland. A few medium-sized towns like Blackburn, Oldham, Barnsley, etc. also have mostly rhotic accents. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.12.230.130 (talk) 12:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

Derren Brown
The following sentence in the article is problematic for me: "The city was birth place of Colin Pillinger, planetary scientist behind the Beagle 2 Mars lander project, and is home to Adam Hart-Davis, presenter of various science related television programmes, and the psychologists Susan Blackmore, Richard Gregory, and Derren Brown"

In his article, it says Derren Brown studied Law and German at the University of Bristol, not Psychology. Indeed, I believe he has no formal qualifications in psychology unlike Gregory and Blackmore (both PhDs). I think it is misleading to call him a psychologist as it lends an air of the mystical to psychology and generally confuses people further about an already fairly poorly understood discipline. He is first and foremost a magician and hypnotist. Perhaps it should read: "...science related television programmes, the psychologists Susan Blackmore and Richard Gregory, and magician Derren Brown" --Neuropsychology 09:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * We could just call him an "entertainer" and put him in the culture section with the actors and comedians? Joe D (t) 10:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Biggest cities
Bristol isn't the 6th biggest city in England and the 9th biggest in the UK, this is using different sets of data, it can't be smaller than Cardiff. If you use city proper populations, rather than district/council areas, then Bristol is the 8th biggest in the UK. Marky-Son 14:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The status of city was given to the Bristol borough. "City proper" is too difficult to define. The old-fashioned built-up area definition runs into the trouble that Leeds and Bradford would be practically one place, Salford would be part of Manchester, etc. [This amusingly makes Carlisle into the largest city in the country in terms of area.]

Just for the record, city status is sometimes given to civil parishes. This would only happen in a case of a very small city, such as Ripon. It is thus technically possible to be a city inside of another city, but this does not exist anywhere. Epa101 10:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. However, this definition still comes out with Bristol being bigger than Cardiff, so the article can stay as it is.

Population figures
This article needs some work doing on its population figures, which aren't consistent internally, or with other articles on Wikipedia, or with the 2005 Office for National Statistics data. SP-KP 23:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Bristol population figures, published by Bristol city council and based on ONS data are given on this page. See the Population Briefing paper on the same page. Figures for mid 2005 were 398,300 - so the approx 400,000 quoted in the opening paragraph of the article is accurate, and that same figure is quoted in the demographics section. However I do agree that the "stretching" of Bristol to include contiguous areas is misleading. IMHO Bristol's population is the one quoted by the city council. If another 200,000 live in nearby areas that's fine, but they don't live in Bristol. --Cheesy Mike 23:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The ONS give a different figure, 420,556, here - and this is for the area which they define as Bristol, which is different from the area Bristol City Council define as Bristol. If we are going to quote only a single figure, we need to decide which of these two bodies has the best definition. To help with that, can you set out the arguments for using BCC as our source? Alternatively, we could try to find a way of using both figures, which would be a more neutral (and therefore more Wikipedian) way of doing things. This ties in with the issue I raised a while back in the peer review that the article doesn't highlight that there are lots of different definitions of Bristol. SP-KP 17:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I've had a very rough first stab at trying to address the definitions problem, in a new section "Boundaries". SP-KP 18:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I've added some refs to the boundaries section which hopefully now give some good definitions for the various definitions of Bristol. If anyone else is aware of any other definitions, please add them. I think the next step should be to align the figures in the demographics section with these boundaries. Is everyone OK if I do that? SP-KP 09:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've avoided entering this debate as I don't have a clear definition of Bristol to search for data on - however on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography talk page there is a comment under Cities, boroughs and districts which may be of use. The proposal is to standardise on the State of the Cities Database used in State of the English Cities report from the Department for Communities and Local Government, who are the Government department responsible for city-related policy, a city is defined as a Primary Urban Area (note, not the same as an urban area) (Volume One, 2.3.5). The link appears to provide lots of data for Bristol.&mdash; Rod talk 17:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There are now new 2006 ONS estimates for the authority area of Bristol here, that give a population of 410,500. (ONS 2006 Population Estimates Unit Crown Copyright 2007) Fig 11:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold
This article has been reviewed as part of WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.


 * Please provide an appropriate license tag for Image:Bristol city coa.gif [[Image:Green tick.svg|25px]] Done
 * Please attend to statements with "citation needed" tags
 * Please provide citations for the following statements, unless citations are provided in linked articles:
 * "In the 1960s Filton played a key role in the Anglo-French Concorde supersonic airliner project. Concorde components were manufactured in British and French factories and shipped to the two final assembly plants, in Toulouse and Filton. The French manufactured the centre fuselage and centre wing and the British the nose, rear fuselage, fin and wingtips, while the Rolls-Royce/Snecma 593 engine's manufacture was split between Rolls-Royce (Filton) and SNECMA (Paris). The British Concorde prototype made its maiden flight from Filton to RAF Fairford on 9 April 1969, five weeks after the French test flight. In 2003 British Airways and Air France decided to cease flying the aircraft and to retire them to locations (mostly museums) around the world. On 26 November 2003 Concorde 216 made the final Concorde flight, returning to Filton airfield to be kept there permanently as the centrepiece of a projected air museum. This museum will include the existing Bristol Aero Collection, which includes a Bristol Britannia aircraft."
 * "Cameron Balloons, the world's largest manufacturer of hot air balloons." [[Image:Green tick.svg|25px]] Done
 * Undone. Sorry, but a claim supporting the assertion in the article taken from Cameron's own website doesn't constitute a valid reference. --Cheesy Mike 19:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, it would be a valid reference if the statement were "Cameron Balloons, which claims to be the world's largest manufacturer of hot air balloons." I'm indifferent to the inclusion of the claim in the article, but if others think that Cameron are a significant feature of Bristol, it might be worth including.  Joe D (t) 13:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "The Bristol Industrial Museum, featuring preserved dock machinery, closed in October 2006 for complete renovation and plans to reopen in 2009 as the Museum of Bristol." [[Image:Green tick.svg|25px]] Done
 * "Stop frame animation films and commercials produced by Aardman Animations and television series focusing on the natural world have also brought fame and artistic credit to the city."
 * "In literature Bristol is noted as the birth place of the 18th century poet Thomas Chatterton, and the poets Robert Southey, who was born in Wine Street, Bristol in 1774, and Samuel Taylor Coleridge married the Bristol Fricker sisters; and William Wordsworth spent time in the city where Joseph Cottle first published Lyrical Ballads in 1798."
 * "The 18th and 19th century portrait painter Sir Thomas Lawrence and 19th century architect Francis Greenway, designer of many of Sydney's first buildings, came from the city, and more recently the graffiti artist Banksy. Some famous comedians are locals, including Justin Lee Collins, Lee Evans, and writer/comedian Stephen Merchant."
 * "Bristol University graduates include the satirist Chris Morris, Simon Pegg and Nick Frost of Spaced and Shaun of the Dead and Matt Lucas and David Walliams of Little Britain fame. Hollywood actor Cary Grant was born in the city, Patrick Stewart, Jane Lapotaire, Pete Postlethwaite, Jeremy Irons, Greta Scacchi, Miranda Richardson, Helen Baxendale, Daniel Day-Lewis and Gene Wilder are amongst the many actors who learnt their craft at the Bristol Old Vic Theatre School, opened by Sir Laurence Olivier in 1946 and Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith, The Matrix) studied at Queen Elizabeth's Hospital School."
 * "Speedway racing was staged, with breaks, at the Knowle Stadium from 1928 to 1960 when it was closed and the site redeveloped. The sport briefly returned to the City in the 1970s when the Bulldogs raced at Eastville Stadium. The Bulldogs of 1949 whitewashed Glasgow (White City) Tigers 70 - 14."
 * "However, on 1 April 1974, it became a local government district of the short-lived county of Avon. On 1 April 1996, it once again regained its independence and county status, when the county of Avon was abolished and Bristol became a Unitary Authority."
 * "The rivers Avon and Frome cut through this limestone to the underlying clays, creating Bristol's characteristic hilly landscape. The Avon flows from Bath in the east, through flood plains and areas which were marshy before the growth of the city. To the west the Avon has cut through the limestone to form the Avon Gorge, partly aided by glacial meltwater after the last ice age. The gorge aided in the protection of Bristol Harbour, and has been quarried for stone to build the city. The land surrounding the gorge has been protected from development, as The Downs and Leigh Woods."
 * "The city has a history of scientific achievement, including Sir Humphry Davy, the 19th century scientist who worked in Hotwells and discovered laughing gas. Bishopston has given the world two Nobel Prize winning physicists: Paul Dirac for crucial contributions to quantum mechanics in 1933, and Cecil Frank Powell, for a photographic method of studying nuclear processes and associated discoveries in 1950. The city was birth place of Colin Pillinger, planetary scientist behind the Beagle 2 Mars lander project, and is home to Adam Hart-Davis, presenter of various science related television programmes, the famed graffati artist Banksy, and the psychologists Susan Blackmore and Richard Gregory."

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GA/R). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAC. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Regards, Epbr123 21:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Noted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bristol &mdash; Gasheadsteve Talk to me 07:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

As there is still quite a few problems left to fix, I'm afraid I've had to delist the article. Epbr123 18:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Park and ride
I removed the link to http://www.parkandride.net/bristol/index.shtml Bristol Park and Ride because it's a link to a commercial site that's been placed with the sole intent of driving traffic there - see the user's other contributions. If the information is relevant it can easily be placed within the article, which in any case is about the city as a whole not Bristol Park and Ride. andy 06:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Park and ride is not commercial, its ran by Bristol City Council for the sole purpose of encouraging traffic not to drive into the city centre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.208.251 (talk) 10:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Transport update and being picky
I would go ahead and make a few picky changes but as obviously a lot of work has gone into this article I thought I'd check first. There are a few photos which are very nice but bare little or no relation to the section there in (such as Cabot Tower and Broadmead). These should either be moved or deleted.

The phrase "Bristol has a tradition of local political activism" seems rather empty. Surely everywhere that has representation has local political activism??? It would be best to comment on the notable MPs and refer to important local events without this.

The transport section referring to the light rail system surely needs updating following the funding outcome on the tram option and the new local transport plan with the pursuit of the bus rapid transit routes?Jon1984 (talk) 15:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Coat of arms
Could someone upload an image of the coat of arms of this city to Commons? Thanks. --Pabletex (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Twin Cities
I just removed Segovia as a twin city of Bristol as this is inaccurate. For confirmation, see the City Council's own website.Taffy U|T|E 08:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Too many pictures
I think there are far too many photos in this article. Many of them are unnecessary and irrelevant and make the page look messy. If no one has any objections I will remove some of them?  ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 11:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Twinning
It says elsewhere that Bristol is twinned with Qingdao, China since 8 May 2006... is this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.18.180 (talk) 15:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, this is not true. Bristol has seven twin cities, none of which is Qingdao - confirmation comes from the horse's mouth. I'll remove the reference from the Qingdao page too. Taffy (talk) 04:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Link on history of Bristol "Is too specific for a broad article"
How is this possible; a site which deals with the history of the city is too specific? Has the site been read? By such generalisations practically every link shown could be removed for similar reasons. Other editors, please take a look and decide for yourselves; http://fishponds.org.uk/index.html. Minorhistorian (talk) 23:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. I may have jumped the gun when I removed that link. The main reasons I did so were that although it does feature information about Bristol in general, it seemed focussed on Fishponds and that the site does not appear to have been maintained since March 2007. But it's Wikipedia, "be bold" and put it back in if you disagree!  ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 08:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi from NZ. Understood; I mainly added the link because I was doing some research for another Wikipedia article, Supermarine Spitfire operational history, in which the bombing of Bristol on 28 August 2008 by a high altitude Luftwaffe bomber was discussed and cited, using information from the Fishponds site. If the site has not been maintained since July 2007, (http://fishponds.org.uk/linkpage.html) it's probably better not including it as a main link, in case it disappears. However, for those who are interested in local history it may well be worth contacting the people who run the site; it may be possible to arrange for someone to take over and maintain it as an operating website...Cheers! Minorhistorian (talk) 12:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, no problem. FYI, there are a few more Bristol history sites on the DMOZ here: http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Bristol/Society_and_Culture/History/ if you need them for more research. The Fishponds site is also listed there.  ChimpanzeeUK  - User | Talk | Contribs 13:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Botany Bay
There is a disambig page redirecting Botany Bay to St Werburghs, where there is an uncited refrence to the name being used for part of St Werburghs. However, I remember buses as terminating at Botany Bay in Henbury in the 1960s-70s. there is a reference to Boatany Bay, Henbury in this walking leaflet from the city council [http://www.bristol.gov.uk/ccm/cms-service/download/asset/?asset_id=19533060 Botany Bay was named from a terrace of fourteen cottages. These must have been remote, even by nineteenth century Henbury standards.]  I can find no other online references, but have created a stub. Hopefully, I can get other refernces from printed sources. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Renominate for GA?
I think all the failings have been addressed,, what do others think? Jezhotwells (talk) 21:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As no-one has commented, I am minded to start the process for re-nomination. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be good to restart the nomination - however, if I were the GA reviewer (which I'm not) I would say there are several statements & a few whole paragraphs without citations (eg in history: last sentence para 2, all of para 5, last part of para 6 . in sport & leisure all of para 1 & 3. last para of education, science & technology. first 3 paras of transport.) I also think it may have "too many" pictures - but this is a matter of taste. If you run checklinks for Bristol you will also find there are several broken links in the references. In the lede it says "For half a millennium it was the second or third largest English city" which seems unclear & I can't find evidence in the history section to back this up.  In boundaries I can't believe  "Greater Bristol" is equated by anyone to the "West of England". These are just from a quick scan if you want me to do a more detailed check before you nominate it let me know.&mdash; Rod talk 20:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done for tackling some of these but I'm still worried about "For half a millennium it ranked in the top three English cities alongside York and Norwich" in the lede - are you saying London wasn't in the top 3 for all this time (& which 500 years are we talking about) ?&mdash; Rod talk 23:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

A few more comments I think a GA reviewer might query:
 * In Boundaries - the article claims the city boundaries include Flat Holm, however this is administratively in Wales and Steep Holm which is part of North Somerset - needs clarifying
 * I have amended the wording - boundary does in fact extend that far but does not include the islands as shown in the referenced map. (the boundary also includes the River Avon and tow path on northern bank as far as Hanham lock. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * In History "Bristol was England's third-largest medieval town (after London and York)" seems to conflict with the statement in the lede
 * Amended to accord with lede, the population statistics are variable and conflicting depending on source.Jezhotwells (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * In what way did the Floating Harbour fail? (probably needs a reference)
 * explained and cited Jezhotwells (talk) 00:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I hope these are helpful: I can do more tomorrow but don't want to overload - although I'm able to comments on some of the content, referencing & some MOS issues I'm not good at prose (if you like i can ask a friendly prose expert to take a look).&mdash; Rod talk 23:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A reference is needed for the cause of the Riots in 1793 and 1831
 * How can the museum contain "statues moved from Arno's Court Triumphal Arch" which appear to have been "demolished" around 1760?
 * In Economy the port might need to be differentiated from the harbour.
 * In Culture:Arts who says most celebrated act are The Pop Group?
 * Ref needed for "Joseph Cottle first published Lyrical Ballads in 1798"
 * In climate - how can Bristol be sheltered by Exmoor?
 * In Transport - who says "Bristol was never well served by suburban railways"

A few more: Hope these are helpful?&mdash; Rod talk 09:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In economy Who says the Bristol Aeroplane Company became famous because of those specific planes? (in general claims of famous need to be supported)
 * Need a ref for "financial services sector employs 40,000 in the city"
 * UWE is included for the first time in this section - therefore should be in full - same for DK.
 * In arts - need rfo for grade I listed (& possibly for numbers of seats in each theatre)
 * Why does Colston Hall get mentioned twice?
 * Should St George's link to St George's Church, Brandon Hill?
 * Who says the specific bands are "most celebrated"?
 * The sentence on poets may need rewording
 * Bristol Old Vic Theatre company is linked twice in the section
 * In sport & leisure why is Bristol Manor Farm "most notable"?
 * In media probably need a ref for Northcliffe Group owning all the papers
 * Need ref for number of members of Bristol Media
 * In dialect "This is believed to be" - always worrying without a ref
 * In physical geography - do we have evidence for the formation of Avon Gorge? - I thought this was still controversial
 * In education the claim that Red Maids is the "oldest girls' school in England" needs a ref
 * Twin cities is a list (which some reviewers don't like)


 * I had a nagging feeling there was something missing form this article so checking WP:UKCITIES I think more is needed on religion. Bristol cathedral & the New Room are mentioned in history, but where are St Mary Redcliffe, Clifton Cathedral & the myriad at Churches in Bristol? If 2% of the population follow Islam, as mentioned in demographics, where do they worship? Also is Bristol Byzantine worth a mention or anything else from Buildings and architecture of Bristol ?&mdash; Rod talk 10:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Should the links in the lede and economy sections go to Portbury (the village) or Royal Portbury Dock? also is it worth wikilinking Avonmouth again in the economy esction?
 * *"the city is the largest importer of cars to the UK" needs a ref
 * Tell me to stop if this is too much & maybe I'm looking at FA review level rather than GA.&mdash; Rod talk 10:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

No these are all good suggestions - I'm off to watch City now, will look later. Jezhotwells (talk) 11:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I hope that these issues have been addressed. I guess that it is likely that a reviewer will suggest reducing the size of some sections, especially the culture section. And a big thank you to User:Malleus_Fatuorum who has done a lot of stylistic changes for the better.  I would welcome a friendly prose expert  taking a look. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done for tackling these. User:Malleus_Fatuorum was the one I asked to look at the grammar etc. I've struck through lots of the issues above, but a few I think are still outstanding below:
 * In History - Cabot's voyage might need a ref
 * Plimsoll might need a ref
 * Sport & leisure - para 1 & 3 are unreferenced
 * Education - last para unreferenced
 * Transport - first 2 paras unrefed
 * In arts - need ref for grade I listed (& possibly for numbers of seats in each theatre)
 * Twin cities is a list which could be turned into prose
 * I think it's looking much better now.&mdash; Rod talk 08:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I've now been convinced by User:Ghmyrtle that some people do equate "Greater Bristol" to the "West of England", so I've struck through that one as well.&mdash; Rod talk 13:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think those have been addressed, the listed buildings are included in the architecture sub-section, the theatre capacities have been mentioned. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done, however I still don't see a reference supporting "The Theatre Royal is a grade I listed building and is the oldest continuously operating theatre in England." Just have to wait & see what the GA reviewer says now.&mdash; Rod talk 15:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed now. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:40, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have checked out Malleus and sorted things out somewhat. I have to be away for a few days.  I did convert the tonnages but not happy with result. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Picture of River Frome
The picture in the top right hand corner of this page is labelled as "Bristol Bridge and the River Avon". I have just been told by someone that this is actually the River Frome which is buried for most of its length through Bristol. Other pages seem to confirm this. --ResYwDhymmDybriChoklet (talk) 15:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The someone you refer to is incorrect. Bristol Bridge spanned the River Avon since the first bridge was built, circa 1000.  As the Avon was diverted around the Floating Harbour in the nineteenth cetury it would probably be more correct to state Bristol Bridge and the Floating Harbour or city docks.  Check out the map at  Jezhotwells (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Partially correct - just the wrong location. The Frome River runs under what is now St Augustine's Parade and Broad Quay (the area opposite the Hippodrome Theatre covered in fountains and the big one way system and extends right back to the bottom of Christmas Steps. That whole area used to be part of the river but is now covered and the river flows into the part of the harbour known as St Augustine's Reach next to the Watershed and Perots Bridge. --TimTay (talk) 20:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Panorama/first image of Bristol
The initial picture of Bristol on the right hand side of the page is, judging by the architecture, well out of date. It is also low quality, dark, and not particularly attractive or representative. I'm sure there was a superior image at one stage but I can't find it from previous edits.

Request that someone uploads a better image! --Tomsega (talk) 12:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point. Does anyone have suggestions of what would be an appropriate image? Jezhotwells (talk) 19:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have solution but you could take a look at Bristol images on commons & see if any of those help?&mdash; Rod talk 19:14, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I have stacks of panoramic pictures of Bristol on my website.... If anybody would like to nominate one I will happily put it up. Contact me via the site... John McAllister. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.160.67 (talk) 17:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I got so fed up of having to look at that horrendously out of date picture that I made my own. All the pictures used are my own work. Hope you like it. :) (Herman blume (talk) 17:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC))

Infoxbox problem
It currently says that Bristol is the 7th largest unitary authority and 43rd largest city - yet the latter links to a list of something else. Surely Bristol is one of the largest cities in the UK, yes? Can someone sort that out? John Smith&#39;s (talk) 18:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I added amongst English districts and amongst Ceremonial counties as explanation. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

pronunciation
Isn't it a bit silly to have a London area accent for the sound file? Couldn't we find a Bristolian to record it? Deipnosophista (talk) 13:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It actually soundss like RP to me, rather than London. I have no idea of how to create an .ogg file, but will see if I can find out. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

LUZ
The EU states that the Larger Urban Zone for Bristol is 1,006,600. Does anyone else think that this should be included in the info box some how? --Abc26324 (talk) 11:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I would have thought not - but, if there is a clear definition of the LUZ, it should be included in the article on Greater Bristol. Should that article be better linked from this one (it's mentioned under Boundaries)?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Bristol Badgers

 * I consider that it might be more appropriate to merge this article with the Sport section of Culture of Bristol. In fact there should probably be a separate Sport in Bristol article.  Any thoughts on this?  Jezhotwells (talk) 00:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge to Bristol. It's the "entry point" article for a large city, we don't need minor sports teams listed within it. A much better option would be a separate Sport in Bristol article. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree with your point, I have merged the Badgers info into Culture of Bristol. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I will see what can be done to creat a new Sports articke over the weekend. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, Sport in Bristol has now been created, plenty of room for expansion. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * AS the bot doesn't seem to have workwed and in fact other bots are updating the date parameter i have wiki'd out the template. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Islam in Bristol
Hi just thought Id let you know that there are actually 13 mosques in Bristol and Id like to get more information on this up and generate an acuarte picture of the Islamic community in bristol. il lbe creating a seperate page for it first but if people object Ill have to put the info here inshallah. Jazak allahu Khair David.Baratheon (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC) 17:39, 8 August 2009
 * If you can find sources then it's a really good idea to expand the small amount of information currently presented in the article.--Simple Bob (talk) 06:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would suggest just giving a source for the 13 mosques here and then we can replace the existing source in the article. We won't be listing all of them in the main article as we don't with the Chritisan churches, synagogues or temples.  If you want to start an Islam in Bristol article, you could start one in your sandbox and if you want ask here or elsewhere, e.g. WP:WikiProject Islam for help.  Cheers. Jezhotwells (talk) 07:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)