Talk:Bristol Grammar School

Untitled
Good article... short on references. Watch phrasing ...its meant to be nuetral. Uniform details? Is this notable? Need help? Victuallers 21:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Trivia section
Trivia sections on Wikipedia are considered very bad form. All imformation within this section should be dispersed to apropriate places within the article. --The_stuart 18:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Yep, redistributed now. Cyberprog (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Recent Edits
Hi everyone. Someone decided to give this article a lot of attention, which is a good thing, but as Richard says there are quite a few inaccuracies, and things that don't belong on Wikipedia.

For a start, the entire "campus trivia" is redundant. It's all really rumour and conjecture, and is far too chatty. Same for many other parts ("There is a electronic score board complete with irriatating noises"?????) Details such as what floor plans in blocks are not required on this article, and the punishment section can be revised (the section on corporal punishment is incorrect, since corporal punishment is illegal in all forms, including at public schools. It's not that "existing laws may contradict this" - it's that existing laws make it totally illegal (human rights act etc.)

So basically, a big hand to whoever tidied up the article, but we do need to work on grammar, style, and removing all POV and rumour. Oh yeah, and we've been through the whole "Don't vandalise the page or I'll tell the school" thing. It doesn't really work (if you couldn't tell). Big mistake on my part that one (and "contacts throughout the school" just sounds pompous if you ask me. Besides, reporting people for "messing with this page from inside the school" would surely violate freedom of speech? But hey, it's a moot point). Suggestions are welcome Nick04 05:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Editing
I clicked on to this site because I wanted information about Bristol Grammar School. All I got was juvenile gibberish. I suppose that tells me all I need to know.

Sadly, some people seem to think it's amusing to edit the article and insert rubbish, you can always view past versions using the History tab. Hope you've not been too discouraged by the actions of a minority! Cyberprog 17:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

In 1997 you had to take the entrance examination if you were in the Lower School, just like anyone else - I'm changing this page to reflect that. As I don't know BGS's current policy, I could be wrong, if so please revert.

Actually, this page is full of inaccuracies about the school and the buildings - I'm going to correct what I know to be wrong. The VIth Form was certainly not envisaged to have extra floors added - I have been the original plans from the 1960's.

Also, the Golden Hill site was not sold to buy Failand - I don't know when Failand was bought, but I was a member of the school when Golden Hill was sold and my father (1964-71) used to play rugby at Failand. This is Richard Manns, in case you're wondering. --Wee Jimmy 17:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah well, my memory isn't what it used to be obviously :) --Cyberprog 21:52, 22 October 2005 (GMT)

Golden Hill was *not* sold to buy Failand. I played on both - we used to alternate each year, until the school sold it. Jfbcubed 15:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC) (John Bolton)

Yup, as of late 2005 the Goldenhill site is no longer owned by BGS enterprises anymore, and is now part of redland high school apparently. Cyberprog 20:51, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Additions
Love the new text... the page could do with a revamp.

However,
 * It doesn't flow in places, seeming very broken with many independent "Campus" paragraphs.
 * Reads like an ad. - Estel (talk) 11:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Additions

 * Yes, I agree, i'm trying to work out the best way to phrase stuff and get out all the info that I know. I'm an ex-pupil so I have quite a bit of info on the place having spent 7 years there!
 * I see what you mean there though, again i'm finding it hard to keep the info in the third person (i.e. realativley factual).

Re: Vandalism
I have contacts within the school (throughout the food chain). People messing with this page from within the school should be aware that they will be reported.

Cyberprog (talk) 12:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced material
Please provide sources to back up many of the assertions made in this article. The Land 14:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Quite a bit of it is personal experiance from people who have been at the school, other bits (such as the headmaster who emptied the school with the latin test) are in the book about BGS, but I can't remember the name of :) Cyberprog 23:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Personal experience is not valid for Wikipedia articles, because it can't be verified. If you can locate and cite the book then that's great. The Land 20:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I have to disagree on this particular article, we're talking about a School, the book won't describe the layout of the school as i've written, it won't describe the current teaching staff, although to a certain extent the school website will. I've removed the referencing banner and added links to the book (Called "The History of Bristol Grammar School" by C.P Hill, and quite possibly the most boring book in the world just FYI, i've just ordered myself a copy so i'll fix that particular part of the article when I get it.) and the school website. That's about all the references that you could refer to. Cyberprog 22:04, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

2006 changes
The layout of the school has changed recently, so I've added bits in. (by the way, your arguments make excellent reading) Zoanthrope 20:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it's been a few years since I was there (other than for a brief interview last year), do you know the names of all the houses on elton road? IIRC all the great headmasters from the last century are now named, but I CBA to drive over and have a look :) If you're still current at the school, can you go and poke Anne Bradley the archivist and find out the dates of headmasters and complete the list? Thanks :) Cyberprog 02:27, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

QEH Changes
The changes made by a QEH student to the school song have been reported to QEH. Let this serve as a warning to others :)

"Thank you for your e mail concerning the corrupting of the BGS site. We have tracked down the culprit and I am sad to say that he is in the Upper Sixth. He is suitably apologetic but I would like him to apologise in person. Please contact me and we will try to arrange something. He has also been blocked from the system. Steve Ryan Deputy Headmaster"


 * Bah. We QEH boys get all the blame... mattbuck 19:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * We lads of QEH are the best thought, aren't we? Algebra man 20:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In my entire time at QEH, I don't think I ever made a defamatory comment about BGS. About the headmaster they had when I went round on an open day, yeah, but never about the students. But I'm 10 years out of date now. Roll on the revolution! mattbuck 22:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Believe me, if that's true then you're doing a lot better than we at QEH now. And most couldn't even tell you who the headmaster is! Algebra man 12:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Classics
I have heard that BGS is the best school in the south west for classics but I can't find a reference. Any ideas where i could find the information? Askin 18:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I did get As in my A level Latin and Greek there - but it was a few decades ago, so it probably doesn't count. 86.142.81.25 11:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Notable Old Bristolians
Two things... first off, Old Bristolians sounds a bit odd. I admit I don't know if that's what they're really called and if they are, ok.

Secondly... I'm really not sure most of those were at all notable. If they were, more of them would have wikipedia pages, and not just stubs either.

mattbuck 19:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with your second comment, but not your first. We are "Old Bristolians", or OBs. Jfbcubed 11:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I also agree with the second comment, I don't think anyone really qualifies for being a Notable Old Bristolian until they can justify a entire wikipedia page of their own. Cyril Norwood for instance is a recent addition of mine to the list, as I noticed he had his own page. Cyberprog (talk) 15:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

School motto
Hi, I'm not involved with the school, but I was read the Boy's Own Annual from 1923-4 and this includes copies of the coats of arms of 'our public schools'. Listed among them is Bristol Grammar, where the shield (exactly the same as is still in use) has underneath the motto: Ex Spinas Uvas, not Ex Spinis Uvas as the article mentions. Am I to take my source as wrong, or has it been changed to correct the Latin?

- Jarry1250 (t, c) 13:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Your source is wrong. The motto is Ex spinis uvas - which is not only correct Latin but also the version that appears in all BGS sources. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 14:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)