Talk:Brit Awards/Archive 1

Comments
Should someone move the list of winners to a new article, "List of Brit Awards winners", for example? Cal T 12:56, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Under 1994, the "Connected" link is incorrect. I don't know what it should point to.

Accuracy??
How accurate is this information? I'm guessing Kid A didn't get nominated for best album in 2001 AND 2002 131.90.134.127 (talk) 22:17, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

1977

 * Outstanding Contribution - L.G. Wood and The Beatles (Joint Winners)

Who on earth is L.G. Wood? And, more to the point, if s/he is notable enough to have shared a "best of the last 25-years" Brit with The Beatles, there has to be an article on this person we can link to? --kingboyk 10:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Leonard George Wood CBE was managing director of EMI records from 1959 to 1980 (joining the company in 1929), so presumably got the award for signing influential artists like the Beatles, Sex Pistols etc. I can only find info on him here though, not nearly enough for an article! --- Richard CHSTalk 10:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Classical attributions
In 1989 Handel himself won the award, or did some orchestra/conductor win the award? Someone with ample time to spare needs to go through these and correct the winners. I'm sure Vaughan Williams' estate would love to get their hands on that '88 award. Qermaq 06:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

8/12/06 edit
Ive added the hosts and venues of most of the events. If anyone knows the ones I missed out then please add it. Also does anyone think this article could be split into 2 pages - a summary page and a new page with a more in depth outline of each specific Brits event? BTW this s a good place to get info: http://brits.co.uk/shows/2006/ Tremello22 16:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

1989
This bit isn't right:


 * Sam Fox: (with a fixed beaming smile) …and the winner is...
 * Celebrity (Radio 1 DJ Gary Davies} presenting the award: (looking panicked) aren’t you going to read out the nominations first?
 * Sam Fox: (with a determined look) …here they are … the FOUR TOPS...
 * Boy George appears from backstage looking self-conscious.
 * Boy George: (with an apologetic smile) I’m afraid I’m just the one top...

The Four Tops were meant to be presenting the award, not receiving it (they didn't win any awards that year). The bit with Garry Davies did happen as well, from memory, but I believe they were two separate incidents which the original editor has confused/merged together..... ChrisTheDude 14:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Brit versus BRIT
I work on The BRIT Awards, creating the website and a lot of the print work. My company's website is here for reference. The "official" way to refer to the show, as set out in the brand guidelines is "The BRIT Awards (year)" with BRIT in all caps, denoting that it's an acronym for The British Record Industry Trust.

BRIT has stood for The British Record Industry Trust since its inception in 1989. The Brit spelling has originated from the misconception that BRIT is a truncation of the word British. BRIT means British as much as CAMRA (n.b. all caps) means camera.

Should I (or perhaps someone who better knows the workings of Wikipedia) do a find and replace!? :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.49.188.179 (talk) 10:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC).


 * I have moved the page to BRIT Awards as per above and am currently working on correcting redirecting the links. Can someone else go through the article and change Brit to BRIT where applicable. I have done a couple. Timclare (talk) (sign here)  12:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The official site uses "Brit Awards", and so a lot of news sources now including the BBC, so perhaps this should be moved again? Gary King ( talk ) 05:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, I'm the original commenter above. If the site did, it was in error. I can't see any references now either.


 * There seems to be an erroneously referenced introduction point to the article: The name was originally a shortened form of "British", "Britain" or "Britannia", but subsequently became a backronym for British Record Industry Trust. . From my knowledge from working on the show, this simply is not true, more to the point though, the reference does not back up the assertion. Also, it's definitely nothing to do with "Britannia" Music Club, they were just the sponsor before MasterCard, hence why I've just removed the unsourced sentence: In 1989 they were renamed the Britannia Music Awards to echo sponsorship by Britannia Music Club and this was shortened to BRIT Awards. Also, the referenced site correctly references BRIT in capitals. It's an acronym, as the referenced article mentions this twice in its footnotes. It's not stylised as "BRIT", it just always should be written "The BRIT Awards", just like The MOBO Awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.172.193.125 (talk) 14:49, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Venues and Dates?
What was the venue of the 1989 awards? What were the exact dates of the events? Drutt 16:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Michael Jackson - Earthsong
I edited some information yesterday that was removed. I didn't add the info, but it indicated that Earthsong was Michael Jackson's most successful song in the UK (which it was) and that HIStory went on to become the best selling double disc album of all time, which is also true. This was removed by an edit today, but I'm going to restore this unless an explanation is given that explains this. These events are credited (both by Epic - Jackson's then record company - and BRIT) as being catalysts to the album and singles respective successes. --linca linca 01:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm editing out the bit that claims that Jackson was the only person on stage when this occurred as video of the event in question clearly shoes this to be false.1 --Magus213 (talk) 22:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

BPI / Britannia Awards
I think a bigger deal should be made about the previous names of the awards, because as it is, anyone casually looking for info on a BPI award from the early 80s would either have to be resigned to confusion or read the whole article, which doesn't really help that much either. Here are my suggestions:-
 * 1) Put the text formerly known as the Britannia Awards and the BPI Awards in the lead section, so that anyone looking for either of them will know straight away that they've got the right page.
 * 2) Make more of a mention of the different names in the overview section. At the moment the only allusion to the BPIs is "The last BPI Awards show took place at the Albert Hall..." without saying when, and without any mention that they existed previously.
 * 3) In the actual list of awards section, separate it into sub sections - The BPI Awards (1977-1988), The Britannia Awards (1989-????) and the BRITs (????-present) - so that readers are clear that (insert artist) didn't get a BRIT in (insert date) when they got actually a BPI Award. I don't know when they officially became the BRITs, despite reading the article. Maybe that should be made clearer, too.
 * 4) On an unrelated note, how is BRIT a backronym? Each letter stands for a word in British Record Industry Tust, which makes it a standard acronym, surely?
 * MightyMoose22 07:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a mess, really. Tinkering with bits won't help it, it needs a thorough re-write from scratch. At the moment, my favourite sentence is (in relation to the Mick Fleetwood / Sam Fox incident), "After this the show was recorded, and broadcast the following night, part of a revamp by Jonathan King for 1990 whose actions also included naming them the BRITs, hosting the show in 1987 - the most successful previous show - and releasing a megamix of British dance acts including S'Express and A Guy Called Gerald called BRITs 1990". You can't edit something like that into shape, it has to be bulldozed into the earth to make way for new growth. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 16:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Split Awards section
The awards section is already dwarfing the rest of the article and is getting bigger each year. As such it really needs to be split into another article. I suggest the title List of BRIT Awards ceremonies for uniformity with articles about similar subjects, such as the Academy Awards, which has its ceremonies on a separate page titled List of Academy Awards ceremonies. If agreed to, I will be happy to carry out this task myself. Peteb16 (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Incidents Section
This seems for too large, it dominates the page more than the awards. i suggust shrinking it or forking it to a seperate article? -- neon white user page talk 00:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree -- it's also filled with POV material and doesn't have sources for the more contentious bits or any of the quotes. Some of the incidents aren't really noteworthy for creating controversy (e.g. the Union Jack dress) and others don't count as a single incident (e.g. Fleetwood/Fox -- this would be better covered in this history section). I'll have a crack at it later. Gusworld (talk) 08:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you prefer a seperate page? -- neon white user page talk 14:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends on how substantive the separate section turns out to be after editing. The article itself isn't overlong (though it's definitely unbalanced by the size of incidents at the moment); best bet might be to edit it and then decide if it justifies having a larger separate entry after that. The danger of a separate article is that people will go wild adding "incidents" without justification, although that's happened here too (see Osborne, Brand).


 * On a related note, I also feel that mild controversy over a single comment by the hosts doesn't qualify as an 'incident' in the same way that (say) the KLF or Jackson events do -- especially since the two ceremonies in question have separate articles, where any documented "controversy" could be included. Gusworld (talk) 23:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed, however if they have been sourced as causing much controversy, as is the case with Russell Brand then i think they are ok to stay. The Belle & Sebastian beat Steps to Best Newcomer Award being called an incident is just bizarre -- neon white user page talk 03:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No disagreement from me on either of those points (despite my earlier comment about Brand, you're right, the number of complaints makes that noteworthy). I'm going to try for a rewrite this afternoon. Gusworld (talk) 05:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

These incidents seem quite gossipy - the important thing are the results not the ceremony. If you look at the Contents box - you can see how much they take over the whole page. If each year was given a page then it would be okay to put each appropriate one there. As it is, I reckon the whole lot should be brought down to a single paragraph with a brief mention of each eg - In 2008, presenter Sharon Osbourne wrongly accused Vic Reeves of being drunk... in 1996, Jarvis Cocker invaded the stage as Michael Jackson was performing. By the way, it seems to be saying that "Earth Song" was MJ's biggest hit as a result of this show - it wasn't, it had long since left the No.1 position by this time (and possibly the charts completely). --Tuzapicabit (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

the Brit Awards
The current page specifies the actual name. This is what the event is called, not just BRIT Awards. People reffer to it as The Brit Awards or with the year in front of Brit. Jonny7003 (talk) 15:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * There is no "The" there isn't one on the logo, so I'm presuming you were the user responsible for the frankly odd article move. There are thousands of wikipedia pages that star with, for example, "The Brit Awards" with "the" not in bold. For further information I suggest you read this before making edits Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name). This shall be reverted back. Examples include White House, as oppose to The White House. Unfortunately I was forced to move the page manually, using a method pasting the information from this page on to "Brit Awards" and then replacing this information with a redirect page. Patyo1994 (talk) 21:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

More needed
Can we list the presenter of each awards, they only go back a few years. Some years 2004-2005 don't have what songs were performed on the show, and the ratings for the show should be noted for 2000+ at least.--Cooly123 19:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Additional information
Could we place a picture of the brits award somewhere on here? Also have each years logo on its respected page.--Cooly123 14:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Brit Awards 2011

 * Today I watched the Brit Awards 2011 on television. Who was the band on it that acted in police-type riot gear? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

The British Rock & Pop Awards
The predecessor to the Brit awards actually began as a televised annual event in 1979, but the period from 79-81 seems to have been airbrushed from the official history. It would be good to find some information about this era and add it to the article. For what it's worth I remember Kate Bush winning the first ever female singer award, and also Paul Weller staying in his seat in 1981 whilst his two bandmates went up to collect the best single award for Going Underground. Additionally, they used to have an award for the Best Musical Comedy Act or something, which was won more than once by the Barron Knights. Perhaps this is why the BPI would rather not talk about it! 194.75.128.200 (talk) 13:01, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * In fact this was a different ceremony, sponsored by the BBC and Daily Mirror and therefore nothing to do with the BPI. MFlet1 (talk) 16:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

How are awards nominated or selected?
The article doesn't explain the process leading up to the award. Who nominates? Who screens the nominations? Who is allowed to vote? Who counts the vote? --Phil Wolff (talk) 15:32, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * To the best of my knowledge, that information isn't made public -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added some information about this based on http://www.brits.co.uk/about-us/who-votes-for-the-brit-awards. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:09, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Rick Astley
The article currently states "Rick Astley was the final winner of the day, and was seated in a box rather than at a table. With 9:00 pm and the news broadcast fast approaching, the decision was made to let The Who on and Astley was halfway to the stage when the band started playing". However, according to an article on the BBC News website the other day, what actually happened was that somebody else was brought onto the stage to receive Astley's award for him. This seems to (slightly) contradict what the article currently says...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Viewing figures
Vandals keep faking figures; can someone update for 2014?109.157.17.216 (talk) 11:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 28 December 2014

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved.  cyberdog 958 Talk  21:44, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Brit Awards → BRIT Awards – Every year's ceremony has capital letters in its article. Unreal7 (talk) 00:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This and all the other related articles should comply with MOS:TM and MOS:CAPS: Follow standard English capitalization rules, regardless of the preference of trademark owners. Even reliable sources such as the BBC, The Guardian, and The Independent use "Brit" without all caps. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:36, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Common usage is lower case form. This years BBC headline: Brits 2014: Winners in full.Carlos Rojas77 (talk) 03:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose – I worked on fixing the over-capitalized year articles, but got stuck when I got back to 2012. Probably need to do an RM to fix this mess.  Fixed what I could. Dicklyon (talk) 06:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per book usage. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:53, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per reliable sources such as the BBC. -- Calidum  23:36, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose - More than not its stylised in caps but the sources don't bother with the caps and I'd imagine anyone searching wouldn't bother using caps, Also the article states "sometimes stylised as the BRIT Awards" So personally I see no problem with keeping it as it is. – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 18:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Question – is it noncontroversial enough that I should ask for technical moves of the Year BRIT Awards that wouldn't go? Or might someone object?  Dicklyon (talk) 02:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering how this is going, I don't think there will be an issue with that. -- Calidum  04:54, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Dicklyon (talk) 05:02, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Category:Brit Awards is all moved and edited except for a few that might need a closer look. Dicklyon (talk) 17:37, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

For articles such as BRIT Award for British Breakthrough Act, we can just fix the case like the others, or we can consider shorter names. These look like official award names, but on further looking they do not appear to be. Would just British Breakthrough Act and International Breakthrough Act and International Female Solo Artist be OK, or too ambiguous? Dicklyon (talk) 17:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Grammy Awards equivalent
"British equivalent of the American Grammy Awards", how accurate is that? can't find a source in the article about it. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:41, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

1983 & 1984
I removed the references to Barbra Streisand's Memories and Michael Jackson's Thriller as winning British Album of the Year in 1983 and 1984. Obviously, neither of these albums is by a British artist. Before looking it up, I had thought that these might have been general awards for Best Album regardless of nationality, but it turns out that they were actually awards for Best Selling Album. (See and .) In other words, they weren't qualitative awards, just recognitions of sales performance. There was no qualitative award for either Best British Album or Best Album (regardless of nationality) at the Brits in either of those years. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2016 (UTC)