Talk:British Airways/Archive 3

British Airways World Cargo
In my opinion this should be lengthened and perhaps even made in to a separate article, if one visits the page of even a small airline the fleet an destinations are usually listed, why not here? 94.1.42.108 (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Dont have a problem with more reliable sourced and notable information but I am not sure it is notable enough for its own article it is only a brand not an airline in its own right.MilborneOne (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Logo
The svg logo, while very well drawn, does not feature the reflections of light on the red side of the ribbon in the way the official logo does. Colourlines (talk) 15:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Well spotted, i have uploaded the correct one (i think). Let me know if its better --JetBlast (talk) 16:56, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Much better, thanks. Colourlines (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Announcement of Intent of Purchase
If someone with time could look at these: http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRRWPB6S972N01-1RMD4462PG4JUMQQSLKJTULMF8

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/19/britishairways-planes-idUSL5E7KJ3KA20110919

Fan Railer (talk) 01:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Structure: Suggested revision
Hello all,

I'm in the middle of a copy-edit at the moment and have noticed some discrepancies in the structure which might be revised.

There's some possible overlap between the "Corporate affairs" "Operations" and "Marketing sections", plus a lot of short sections that might be better included under a banner.

Operations
 * Partnerships
 * Destinations
 * Fleet
 * "Operations" & "World Cup Cargo" from Corporate affairs section
 * Incidents and accidents (should ideally be written as prose)

Marketing
 * Tail fins
 * Loyalty programmes

"Airport lounges" and "Cabins" might go in either one.

"Merger with Iberia" --> Corporate affairs section

Best, --Ktlynch (talk) 11:25, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Destinations Served Maps
This image needs updating. BA also flies to Nigeria, Ghana, Morroco. BA Subsiduaries (Comair) also fly to Botswana and Mozambique. 81.132.146.20 (talk) 16:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

removal of content based on WP:N
WP:N states, "Notability does not directly affect the content of articles,..." Unscintillating (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The incident you are talking about has no long term value. 20 years from now noday will care about it or will have never have heard about it. The statement "Notability does not directly affect the content of articles" is talking about WP:N page, it is not a guidline itself. Under WP:Airline British Airways flight 2157‎ is not notable so shouldnt be in the article. --JetBlast (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So why do you think the nutshell of WP:N says, "Notability does not directly affect the content of articles?" Perhaps you should be using the word "prominence"?  Unscintillating (talk) 02:05, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Its means the policy WP:N applies to the creation of articles and the articles as a whole, not the content. So you cannot use WP:N to arugue the point. --JetBlast (talk) 04:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see Notability vs. prominence as well as WP:NPOV. Unscintillating (talk) 06:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am editing from a Neutral point of view, just becuase it isnt notable doesnt mean i am not neutral. Have you seen Aircrash? --JetBlast (talk) 21:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

As you have not replied you agree that it is now not notable? --JetBlast (talk) 01:27, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

77W
BA have now received their sixth 77W. But the article states that it has 2 more on order. Are there any sources about this? I've not read it anywhere?--MJLRGS (talk) 19:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Updated it, when the total was changed the order figure was not corrected, ba now have six. MilborneOne (talk) 10:27, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Contradictions
The first part of the article states that BA has 52 744s, but in the table below the number is 61 - the number of 777s happens to be 52. The "Fleet" paragraph states that "The airline introduced the Boeing 737 and Boeing 757 into the fleet in the 1980s", but the tables below don't list 757s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.231.110 (talk) 23:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Because some users are using amateur enthusiast sites to update the data rather than more reliable sources the figures get out of sync. The 757 is listed in the British Airways Fleet, 1990s–2000s as they have all now been retired and sold. MilborneOne (talk) 10:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Fleet procurement
The section of the article titled 'recent orders' is very out of date. should either be deleted or updated — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.33.147 (talk) 08:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Financial_performance
Figures in the table are mostly unsourced. Strange, given that the article is currently a GA one. What to do?--Jetstreamer Talk 11:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If nobody can find more sources, i would get rid of it. --JetBlast (talk) 11:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I hid the entire sub-section for the time being. Nobody added references to support the content in a month.--Jetstreamer Talk 19:21, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I think the article should be semi-protected
In the fleet section, it looks like there is an argument in the number of aircraft. At times, it says there are 55 747-400s and at other times 57. Also the same problem with the 777-200ER: at times 43 aircraft, other times 46. I think the article should be semi-protected since this number of aircraft argument is getting annoying.72.89.35.142 (talk) 00:53, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Not really disruptive enough to protect the article, the issue is the source of the information. The consensus for a long time is that official sources like the CAA or British Airways should be used for fleet information but some editors are using enthusiast websites as a reason to change the figures. We sometimes also have problems with editors removing aircraft in temporary storage from the figures, although this is normally sourced from enthusiast websites as well and is not really encyclopedic. But we have to remember that the enthusiast websites are not reliable sources. MilborneOne (talk) 08:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I have now corrected the figures based on the offical UK Aircraft Register, i think this is the best source to use. --JetBlast (talk) 08:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Why have a separate stub for a subsidiary??--Petebutt (talk) 06:01, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose Although British Airways Limited is a subsidary, it is a separate registered airline with its own airline operation certificate, a Type A operating licence, its own route licences, its own codeshare arrangement with other airlines (American), a separate legal company, an ICAO code and callsign. Other subsidaries like BA CityFlyer have an article, similar sized OpenSkies has an article, so I cant see any valid reason to merge it here. MilborneOne (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose MilborneOne said it all, nothing to add. --JetBlast (talk) 16:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose above reasons. Mtaylor848 (talk) 11:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

British Airways Limited
Hi, I was wondering if some editors here could please help to expand the article British Airways Limited. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 16:55, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Image Culling
Hi, I have removed a number of images. They are just simply not needed, there are plenty on in the article and are there just for decoration. Its cluttering the place up. Plus those who have slow internet speeds suffer a little. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 23:16, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

NPOV Issues
At times I felt that I was reading the in-flight magazine of BA. There is a need to include some of the less savory aspects of the company, such as its problems with religious discrimination against certain faiths. Excluding the record of what took place with Nadia Eweida makes this article skewed and biased in favor of BA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.75 (talk) 10:33, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Fleet Section - Boeing 767 Layouts
I beileve that there is an error regarding the seating capacities of 767's, since it shows only 1 - class and 3 - class (Business, Premium Economy and Economy) versions. However, I'm pretty sure that there are 2 - class (Club Europe and Euro Traveller) versions of this plane in the airline.