Talk:British Columbia Coast

Coastline lengths 'n' stuff
I'm pretty sure I don't have the coastline figures accurate; could be 40,000 for all I know; it's more than the rest of the coastline by about that propotion or difference, whatever the n0,000 is.

History section has yet to be completed. I put section headings below that to give an idea where this is going but this was a draft and I did it in one go this afternoon. Maps soon. Probably should get used to putting things of this size together in the sandbox, but I'm working off the wikification of the regional geography right now and was setting this up for various interlinks already in place as links but without entries to go with them. . . This is a companion-piece, regionally-speaking, to British Columbia Interior, Lower Mainland, Coast Mountains, Pacific Northwest, Alaska Panhandle etc.

More later Skookum1 01:48, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Communities list vs First Nations list
I feel a little awkward separating these two; many individual First Nations are also single villages/locations and constitute communities; not having them in the communities list is a bit segregating; the whole point of the First Nations list is the respective sovereignties/cultures; whereas the communities list is meant to be places of note and which have services etc. The regional coalescences of First Nations political entities are probably what I should link to here to make it work, so there's not 400 First Nations communities listed (all with wildly-difficult to spell names).Skookum1 01:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Rivers associated with inlets
It occurred to me earlier while looking at another article somewhere (?) that the list of inlets and waterways here could be given greater context if the rivers associated with them were also listed; I think for formatting reason this would be best done as a table/boxformat but I'm open to suggestions; also in the same league are any named ranges, such as the Namu Range near the townlet of the same name, and overall the division between the Pacific and Coast Ranges. Examples of the river-inlet connection are Howe Sound-Squamish River, Toba Inlet-Toba River, But Inlet-Homathko/Southgate Rivers, Knight Inlet-Klinaklini River, Dean Channel-Dean River and so on. At present I've only marked Telegraph Passage, the outlet of the inlet-like Skeena estuary, but as far as a page describing the coastal geography may be a four-column system with inlet-waterway | islands/archipelagos | rivers | ranges might work. Anything else? Other than illustrative photos - I'm already working on a suitable map.Skookum1 03:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Re-organization
I've been meaning to come back here for a while to try and give this page some structure; no luck yet on the map, but maybe that's best as a group of maps is probably more suitable here than one big-area map only. This ties in with my main recommendation/agenda here, which is to break the page into sections for hte regions - North Coast, Central Coast, South Coast, and their respecvtive subregions, hwoever defined. This is partly because of links like Central Coast of British Columbia or North Coast of British Columbia, which I usually pipe directly to this article but could be instead British Columbia Coast or the three main subregions ccould be broken off as 'daughter articles". this ties into the problem of the asssemblage of links for inlets, waterways, islands and communities; gonna be far easier to consolidate them all within sections rather than by type, as the inlet/swaterways define the regions anyway.  As it is the listing on List of British Columbia rivers is rather more complete/structured and already has basic subregions laid out, it's a matter of fitting islands/communities etc into those sections and hierarchy trees.  I'd just move those over here straight away but some reorganization of this page is necessary first; also the rambling intro I penned long ago could obvoiusly be tightened up, and the discussion of usage would be best given a capital-U and examples come up with on the varying meanings of "out on the Coast", "down on the Coast", "down Coast", "Up Coast" and so on; as definition-citations we won't get but example-citations we can find.  The further issue is whether or not to de-nationalize this and expand it to include inlets/islands of Alaska and Washington, and renamed it Pacific Northwest Coast......although their usages won't be the same.....hmmmm nice in concept, hard in practice...Skookum1 (talk) 19:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Compare section to this external website
Can someone re-word this section or put into quotes all the information from Worlds Rim Fjords? It looks like copyvio. SriMesh | talk  21:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL by them, you mean...I'm the author of that passage, written freehand from the top of the noggin; look at the original edit(s) to the page and check the content; worldrim.com "pirated" it, but because it's public domain they didn't pirate it at all, they just copy-pasted from the wiki article, which I stress again is of my authorship and others can attest to signs of my handiwork and habitual syntax etc. This page is due for a major overhaul anyway, as the North/South/Central/Outer Coast sections need breaking up; the list of inlets and rivers etc can almost be a separate list-article.  I've also puzzled, as I did over it when preparing to make it, what kind of title could take in the whole fjord-complex from Puget Sound to Yakutat or at least to Glacier Bay; i.e. the Washington-BC-Alaska Panhandle coastline as a single geographic concept; "Northwest Coast" extends farther north and south, but I thnk you may understand what I mean; for now there are three articles for one coastline, otehr than West Coast of the United States and History of the west coast of North America; for the NW Coast there is the ethnographic Indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast, but no Northwest Coast of North America, though there is of course Pacific Northwest]; but that's not the coast only; one of the points of this article's title is it is apposite to[ British Columbia Interior (which has similar structural/arrangement problems, i.e. South, Central, North etc),.  Just laying all this out so you know what's out there; and to reassure you not only that worldrim.com are the copycats, and there is no copyvio here, and that this page will be a substantially better page than theirs coce it's ever done (as such sites don't have contributors, and instead of copying-over from sites that do).  Anyway it was a wiki clone you were looking at, though uncredited and I supposed standalone (and not hyperlinked).Skookum1 (talk) 22:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Responding to alert on my talk page, it may well be that there is a copyright violation by the external site. They are entitled to use the content, but must observe GFDL requirements when using it.   -- KenWalker | Talk 02:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I wondered about the no-credit thing...as for my other ramblings, see next section for moreSkookum1 (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

One Big Coast, but no name for it
(continued off tangent in previous) just to further note there are two parallel articles to this one, Alaska Panhandle (about which there's a name debate as to whether ot not it should be Southeast Alaska, and near as I can tell it would have to be Puget Sound for the Washington end; tehre is no Northwest Coast article as noted; there is probably an Oregon Coast article, maybe a Coast of Washington one; but the Oregon Coast isn't part of the topographic unit I'm thinking of; maybe there's just no name for it; the wider definition of the Pacific Northwest Coast/Northwest =Coast that takes in Oregon and northern California doesn't fit the fjord-scape; both the Russians and the British considered it as something of a unit, and culturally and economically it pretty much functioned something like that until partition in 1846. Anyway just wishing, or looking for suggestions, for a combined coastline article; the Alaska coastline to Cross Sound at least is prety much a continuation fo the topography northwards of the Fraser River; maybe the thing to do is just write it up as part of the Coast Mountains article that way; except the Insular Mountains aren't included; and I've never been clear on whether or not that includes the inshore archipelago up the Coast, not just the QCI and VI as I think it is limited to. Damn I have too many ideas and not enough time, or discipline, eh, Ken? Just jotting down notes to what should be but don't have time to research/write it....same with Interior and other articles...Speaking of which Inside Passage I've CanCon'd a little bit but it needs some BC-side professionalism to match that from the Alaskans...I guess I'll throw that by anyone working on the Category:BC Ferries articles too, although History of shipping in British Columbia is more like it maybe - or since the SteamboatsPacificNorthwest thing, massed templates and all, is already there and includes most of that history then History of shipping in the Pacific Northwest condenses all the Columbia, Puget Sound, Georgia Strait, Inside Passage et al. into one title. Mosquito Fleet crosses over so much with what will get written on teh Fraser-Georgia steamboast, and also on the Columbia and other small-river steamboat articles, there is a common history, and very much a part of hie tory fo the coast; mind you there's a lot of known inter-native history on the Coast that could be on here, or on teh History of the west cost of North America article, which though huge needs all kinds of more detail...and maybe subregion articles... Skookum1 (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

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