Talk:British Forces casualties in Afghanistan since 2001

General
Could somebody please put this information into a table? Example:

09/06/06 Muirhead, Paul, Lance Corporal, age 29,UK British Army, 1st BN, The Royal Irish Regiment, Hostile,, Musa Quala (Helmand Province) Afghanistan, Bearley, Warwickshire,, England

The first date is the date of death, then the surname, then the first name and rank, then the age, then the branch of service and unit, then the cause of death, then where they where killed, then where they came from. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boris Johnson VC (talk • contribs).

Done, but bits of it still look stupid. Maybe you could clean these up? Hut 8.5 18:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I just popped in to see how you were getting along. The article is much much better. Are there any good quotes that you can add perhaps one from Mr Blair and one from another, which would give a flavour of the debate, the issues and the implications? There must be some times or telegraph reports mentioning deaths, what conclusions were they drawing? You should also have a look at this page and nick a few references for your own 2001 war in Afghanistan, guardian, Observer, BBC - I hope these help! --Mike 11:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm still concerned this article might be attacked and potentially deleted. Can I suggest that you try and mention Afghan casualties, civilian casualties, and casualties from other countries. I would also suggest moving the article to a more neutral name to make it less prone to calls for deletion. How about simply "British forces - Afghanistan 'Peace keeping'* (2001-Present)" *What's the right term conflict, war? --Mike 12:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and one more comment the titles are too long. --Mike 12:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * And you could do with a few other headings - I've put them in with the way I put in my quotes and references!


 * Thanks mate, but other articles deal with Afghan, civilian, US, Canadian and other coalition casualties--Boris Johnson VC 20:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Boris, one of the criteria for deletion is the number of pages that link to and from the page. Can I suggest you put a link on your page to all those ones above and put a link on all those pages to yours! --Mike 21:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

gd idear will do --Boris Johnson VC 09:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

 * Speedy keep I don't care whether the aricle breaks any guidelines but simply pasting a "delete" notice without giving giving any comments on the discussion page must break basic rules of courtesy to other users.


 * Having said that, without some changes the article clearly isn't appropriate to Wikipedia (perhaps there some other place - if not then why not create your own web page?) (To see how easy it is see: []). To be worth of an encyclopedia entry, the article must do more than simply list the names and dates of death - it needs to provide information that someone e.g. writing an essay in a school/university would need to know. You could e.g. analyse the causes of death, mention the engagement, draw a graph of number of deaths by month, but the names couldn't be the central item of the article only a coincidental piece of information. It may sound cold, but I think of anyway to use your table. I hope this helps. --Mike 22:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Even so, simply needing some work isn't a good reason to delete the article. You can already gain some information from the table, such as the common causes of death. I agree that this article may need some work, but I don't think it should simply be deleted. Hut 8.5 08:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * ok guys, once i get the chance i will re-write this artical parcialy-as in not just table form, give me a week or so too do it. --Boris Johnson VC 09:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Boris. From your comment you appear to be new (17:10, 12 September 2006) to the wild plains of Wikipedia! As a relative newcomer myself and having had my own experience of the deletion "anarchy", can I suggest you move the contents of the article to you own user pages and work on them there. If you don't know how to do this click on this link User:Boris Johnson VC/British forces casualties it should open up a page you can edit and thereby create the page. Then edit your home page User:Boris Johnson VC and put in a link to the page so that you can find it again. (You can get to your home page by a link at the top of every screen)


 * What to do with the page? My personal opinion (I don't know about policy) is that since no one has put any comments on this talk page in favour of deleting it, and you intent doing a radical change then remove all the contents of the the page to your user space and put an

{*{Underconstruction}*} notice on it!(remove the '*' to make it active!) --Mike 09:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a note that there is no requirement to post a comment on the talk page of an article that has been proposed for deletion, so the proposer has broken no rules. However, if someone disagrees with the notice then it can (and should) be removed, also without posting any comment. If the proposer still wishes it deleted then he can send it to Articles for Deletion for a full discussion. -- Necrothesp 09:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

As I have contributed quite a bit to the article, I would be happy to help Boris sort it out. Hut 8.5 12:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Since 2001, the following British military personel have been killed in Afghanistan: See Britain's role in the 2001-present Afghan war.

This is the old version--Boris Johnson VC 18:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks m8, but i will just do it in a word document.

"Main political parties"
I removed a reference to UKIP as a "main political party" as nine other political parties have more seats than them. The British electoral system is generally considered to have 3 main political parties. Hut 8.5 10:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC

more deaths
12/05/06 Wigley, Jonathan Marine, 21, UK, British Royal Marine, Zulu Company 45 Commando, Royal Marines, Hostile - hostile fire, Southern Helmand Province, Afghanistan, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire England 10/18/06 Wright, Gary Marine, 22, UK, Royal Marine, 45, Commando Royal Marines, Hostile - hostile fire - suicide bomber, Lashkar Gah, Helmand Province, Afghanistan, Glasgow Scotland

could somebody pz add them, coz i'm not sure i can —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.129.151 (talk • contribs)


 * Done. Hut 8.5 18:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Great, just one minor criticism, you've added them 2 the wrong end!--Boris Johnson VC 18:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops - I thought it was chronological rather than reverse chronological order! Hut 8.5 18:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

12/12/06 Watson, Richard J. Marine 42 British Royal Marine 42 Commando Royal Marines Hostile - hostile fire - small arms fire Now Zad (northern Helmand Province) Caterham, Surrey England. Another one, may he rest in peace--Boris Johnson VC 17:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. I've noticed one minor problem though - all the dates are in the American format, and they shouldn't be as the article is about a Commonwealth topic. I'll fix them sometime.  Hut   8.5   18:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

ok then, that would be gd!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boris Johnson VC (talk • contribs)
 * Just done it.  Hut   8.5   18:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

We have a problem
Can anybody work out how to stop one ref coming up 10 times???--Boris Johnson VC 21:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I've got it. Hang on.  Hut   8.5   21:15, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It worked! Hut   8.5   21:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have corrected the age at death of Private Damien Raymond Jackson who was killed 5/7/06. Private Jackson was 19 years old when he died. He was killed a few days before his twentieth birthday.

The Table
Is that table up to date, could someone let me know me know plz, coz a friend of mine was under the impression that there hadn't been any casualties since JAN 13th, which unforunately hasn't been the case this week. Can someone let me know plz Ryan4314 21:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Table update
I've just done just done a massive table update, to anyone else who is interested in keeping it updated all the info can be found at this reference. By the looks of things, it looks like the earlier part of the table needs updating n all, so I'll do that as well. Ryan4314 23:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Done a bit more wotk on the Table, I actually now regret removing the counties personnal were born in, and only leaving a link to the town, I was trying to be neat, but I forgot "wikipedia is about adding information". There's still more work to be done, in the long run, I'd like to put links the ranks as well as link names that may actually have their own article e.g Bryan Budd or Jabron Hashmi. Ryan4314 03:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Starting re-adding counties, also removed the ref link from names of personnal from the nimrod crash, as the ref only leads to the "edit article" page. Ryan4314 04:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Re-did entries from present day back to April 07 in new format. Ryan4314 13:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Splitting this Article
This article is rapidly becoming to large. As the casualties continue it becomes more of a list and less of an article.

Does anyone have any ideas how to change this? It is starting to look more like a memorial than an encyclopedic entry. So how could it be split into more meaningful articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevor Marron (talk • contribs) 22:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This article does seem to list information twice. At the top with specific incidents, and at the bottom with a table of deaths. The references, then take on its own article. Perhaps, the specific incidents should be split off to 2002 in Afghanistan for instance, and the references included in the table as per the Canadian article... Jez t e C 10:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would be ok with a split into two articles, one for the list of incidents and one for the table of those who have died, but no change should lose any of the data currently shown which is useful. BritishWatcher (talk) 10:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It may be worth reviewing this debate on the MilHist page about these things in general.
 * Personally speaking I've never been keen on this kind of thing as I don't believe it adds any signficant value and is little more than a memorial anyway.
 * ALR (talk) 11:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Sortable table.
Could we have one table, with sortable columns, so that other facts can sorted into clusters. See for example List of Victoria Crosses by school and List of events named massacres. If someone wishes to go to a specific year then there is a template that can be used called "section" which if embedded into the table would still allow a person go to the start of year see for example this link List of Latin phrases (C–E) --PBS (talk) 20:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have done the tables for 2009 & 2008 into a sortable format, however this causes some minor problems with the search, for example under the 'Unit' heading if the soldiers sub-unit precedes the unit then the sort order is by the sub-unit not the unit. So in the first table I have added sub-unit column. If anyone would like to check this out and comment then I wold appreciate that. A similar problem occurs with the date column, but short of using YYYY MM DD as the format then I can not see how that can be resolved. Trevor Marron (talk) 11:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Crewdson, 18 June 2010
Please can someone update the number of Britsh troops killed in afghanistan from "As of 7 April 2010 there has been a total of 281[1] fatalities of British Forces personnel including MoD civilians." to "As of 15 June 2010 there has been a total of 298 fatalities of British Forces personnel including MoD civilians." (my source is the MOD website and articles published by the BBC, The Guardian and Sky News.) Also could the figure of combat deaths be updated in accordance with the MOD website?Crewdson (talk) 15:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Crewdson (talk) 15:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks, — Cargoking   talk  15:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Readknowwrite, 26 June 2010
Please update link for British Casualty Monitor - Tracking the War in Afghanistan to read: http://www.casualty-monitor.org/p/british-casualties-in-afghanistan.html

Thanks!

Readknowwrite (talk) 20:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks. The link you provided is more specific than the previous link, which was to the site's homepage.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 06:12, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Tables showing British fatalities
Is anyone prepared to update the "Tables showing British fatalities" from July 2009 to today? Otherwise I will delete all of them because they just copy what is written above. Gavbadger (talk) 16:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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