Talk:British Rail Class 317

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the picture captions need updating to reflect current operators. I'm browsing via my phone atm otherwise I'd just do it! Thryduulf 18:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

If anyone could explain the peculiar metal window openings on one particular batch then that would be most enlightening! Divy 17:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * you mean the air vents above the windows?--194.247.53.233 03:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw a train on the Midland Main Line earlier that resembled a 317, painted in a First livery (I wasn't expecting to see it and failed to get a decent photo sadly and thus no unit number). Seems that at least one 317 has been repainted in First livery now. Ghiraddje 17:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

First entry into service
The date of introduction of the original Bed-Pan units is given as 1981, but this is unsourced and dubious, considering that the sets languished in the sidings for quite some time after delivery before actually entering service, due to the union dispute about driver-only operation. Can anyone provide a reference source to verify this date? --DAJF (talk) 14:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

They were launched in 1983 due to industrial dispute regarding loss of guards and transfer to DOO (Driver Only Operation).

--Peter Skuce (talk) 17:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Stripping of the livery/number chart from the Fleet Info
The edit made back here - doesn't make much sense to me, taken a while to dig out who actually took it out, but it seems to me a rather pointless removal of a useful reference. Unless there are any objections in the next few days, I'll re-add the information to the article. 80.5.211.170 (talk) 20:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I think ti was removed for lacking reliable sources. Re-add it I say. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say leave it out until the information in the table can be appropriately cited from a reliable source. Train liveries change regularly and the information in that table is likely to be out of date very quickly. -- NRTurner (talk) 07:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Images and Gallery
Any chance someone could arrange the pictures to break the text up a bit, there are huge blocks of text but then a huge gallery too, I think it would be better with inline, any thoughts/opinions? --Enotayokel (talk) 15:46, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you do, be prepared for something similar to what is discussed at Talk:British Rail Class 313 (most of page). -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is why I posted, I've already had a snooty comment on my talk page over galleries, apparently I'm disrespecting their work --Enotayokel (talk) 17:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Possible change to the title of this article
This article is currently named in accordance the WikiProject UK Railways naming conventions for British rolling stock allocated a TOPS number. A proposal to change this convention and/or its scope is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways, where your comments would be welcome.

about Class 317/0 & 317/3
I found articles about "Class 317/0" & "Class 317/3" on "British Railways Locomotives & Coaching Stock 1997" and "British Railways Locomotives & Coaching Stock 2000". Can anyone provide in detail about it and a reference source? -- Twingle600 (talk ) 17:19, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Subclasses
The description gives info on class 317/1 and 317/2, but from the unit list it seems the /2 class doesn't exist anymore, and most of the /1s are now /5s or /6s too. Nowhere in the article does it explain how the /5s and /6s came about, or what the difference is. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:50, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * My Platform 5 says that 317/5 are pressure ventilated and converted from 317/1, whereas 317/6 are convection heating and converted from 317/2. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Class 317/3
Looking through various editions of Platform 5 Locomotives & Coaching Stock Combined Volume, I cannot find any evidence that Class 317/3 exists, or indeed has ever existed. The 2021 edition shows units presently numbered 317337-348 as Class 317/1 - if I go back to the 1998 edition, I find that units 317301-348 were class 317/1 (with pressure ventilation), and units 317349-372 were class 317/2 (with convection heating). The fourth digit of a six-figure TOPS number does not necessarily indicate a subclass; at the time that these units were built (1981-87), each BR region liked its EMUs to have numbers that would still be unique if the first three digits (two in the case of the Southern Region) were ignored. So on the London Midland Region, for which units 317301-348 were built, we had: and on the Eastern Region, for which units 317349-372 were built, we had: So,, what is your source for class 317/3? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 001-045 -
 * 046-095 -
 * 201-204 -
 * 301-348 -
 * 001-064 -
 * 101-132 -
 * 133-165 -
 * 201-312 -
 * 349-372 -
 * 401-452 -
 * 453-455 -
 * 501-519 -
 * 601-608, 611-618, 621-627 -
 * 701-726 -
 * 781-799 -
 * 801-861 -
 * 993-995 -


 * Ok my bad I didn’t know that BR had that way of numbering units.I’m used to the more modern numbering system used by the railways today where a /1 would be TrainClass/1.I’ll change the numbering to how It should be. Before I read fully read your I was going to say proved me right but I know now it never did and I made a mistake due to not knowing how BR numbered some of their units. Maurice Oly (talk) 23:19, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Why er the stuff that er true not used
Uhh why er the stuff that is true like say for example every 317 retirement edit put away and put to not true information as like I know it is retired* and will not be in expected service *and it is still going to be used for unexpected service but it is retired 84.66.226.100 (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Your post is incomprehensible. Please write using meaningful English, not street slang. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2022
Can you put the reference for the. 317 retirement and keep it in present and put but the units er still going to be used at random times but er not used in scheduled service as that is what I know to be true and I know as I saw the retirement in person and the staff said it will be used in random service 84.66.226.100 (talk) 18:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2022
Uhh can you put what I put before and I do have a reliable source and that is real life experience of it and I have a reference https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/traffic/greater-anglia-to-retire-west-anglia-class-317-9141716 And https://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/w0pv2f/today_saw_the_last_scheduled_services_of_the/ so there is it 84.66.226.100 (talk) 09:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The first link does not say they will be used at random times after retirement, and the second link is not any sort of reliable source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2022 (2)
Do what I said before and here is a another reference https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2022/07/greater-anglia-invites-enthusiasts-to-ride-on-class-317s-out-of-london-liverpool-street-for-one-last-time.html 84.66.226.100 (talk) 11:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: “We’re pleased to provide a chance for those wishing to bid farewell to these trains, which have served West Anglia passengers well for over 30 years, to take a final trip on them this Saturday.” doesn't support that they will be used again. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:30, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Why is it not enough to do oh idk a reliable source
I did a reliable source and I am sick oh hearing oh bla bla bla is not there when I keep doing the stuff they er asking for and my most recent request had a reliable 84.66.226.100 (talk) 11:33, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * You're asking to add the units er still going to be used at random times but er not used in scheduled service, and none of the sources you've provided support that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Status of 317345
The Fleet Details table is currently showing that 317345 is both stored and preserved, which doesn't quite add up given that there are actually only two vehicles of it in preservation. Where have the other two vehicles gone? XAM2175 (T) 16:15, 28 September 2022 (UTC)