Talk:British jazz

Shouldn't this be moved to British jazz musicians?
When I ran into a link to this article, I did not expect a plain list of musicians ... BNutzer 16:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This weekend I'm going to make a start of turning this into more of an article. You'll have to give me a bit of time though.--T. Anthony 08:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Expansions
This seems expanded enough I took it off the Project for expansion. Maybe that was premature, but I don't think so. At present this almost looks better than Brazilian jazz even though that's a commonly recognized sub-genre of jazz. (British jazz isn't per se) I mentioned Black British musicians towards the end as BBC did, however I'm not wanting to imply that before the 1980s it was all white guys or cause anything racial. I'm just repeating their observation, I hope no one minds.--T. Anthony 07:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

British jazz in the 60s and 70s
Did nothing happen over these two decades? Could someone please add something? 83.180.176.148 21:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * By my count, over 200 of the 1000 words in the article are about the 60s-70s, which seems around the right quantity. Though they are a bit unbalanced towards jazz-rock, which may be what you mean? AllyD 21:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the problem is one of a lack of signposts - I have put up some sub-headings for groups of decades, in the hope of making this clear.--Sabrebd (talk) 11:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Music of the United Kingdom
Could anyone who is interested in helping sign up at WikiProject_Music_of_the_United_Kingdom. Thanks! Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 12:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Musicians' Union ban
I have started a section on this subject in the Musicians' Union (UK) article. The article as a whole needs much more work on it. Philip Cross (talk) 23:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * , noting your recent edits, I went back to the MU article, but I see the former subsection about "the Jazz Ban" section disappeared from there a decade ago, under a weight of brochure-like update on more recent campaigns. Perhaps inevitable in an article about an organisation, so maybe that topic needs to be expanded here, for example with material on, from memory, the strict numeric reciprocity from the 1950s, on the use of workarounds (e.g. in Ornette Coleman's status as a "classical musician" for the 1965 visit), etc.? I'm not sure whether there are strong sources available for that whole phenomenon of that period of constraint? AllyD (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing to my work more than 12 years ago, I was sure I had worked on this subject in the past. It is not a surprise the passage was removed as it is entirely unsourced. I tried to find a mention of Stan Kenton's visit in 1953 (probably remembered in 2008 from the second volume) of Jim Godbolt's history of Jazz in Britain, but nothing is available online. Philip Cross (talk) 14:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

June 2012
User:Moraphica has added material to the page which gives undue weight to the (undoubtedly important) achievements of Joe Harriott, as well as adding material which is unnecessary, ungrammatical and misformatted. Despite requests and warnings, the user has failed to explain any of these edits, either in edit summaries or here. An explanation, and discussion with other editors, is needed. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:20, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Joe Harriott

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It has been felt for some time by black Jazz musicians in the Uk that the ground breaking free Form experiments and subsequent albums by Harriott have been marginalised in your account of British Jazz.Since Harriott's album predates that of Ornette Coleman's own experiments in this area it seems strange that there should be no mention of Harriot important innovations this area. Why do you feel that this is unimportant in the context of the time scale and a true overview of contributions to World jazz let alone British Jazz.After all the strong growth of the free scene in the Uk that has influenced many musicians from all backgrounds is currently enjoying a major resurgence throughout the Uk. You have also omitted the Indo Jazz Fusion period of albums that Joe Harriott helped to instigate with other important players.These are now widely acknowledged as some of the first recordings in the genre that became known as World music in later decades up to today.Why is that? Currently in the uk Music colleges students are complaining of being deliberately kept in the dark as to the historical contributions to Jazz in the Uk from people of the African Diaspora,Contributions that after all have benefited everyone interested in the rich tapestry of cultural and social influences that have made the music and scene what it is today. You have made a commendable start on this entry by including some of the names from the diaspora and we wouldn't expect you to name everyone from that background however it is important that contributions like these should really be acknowledged.(Moraphica (talk) 09:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)).
 * Thank you for responding. I don't disagree with many of your comments.  I love Harriott's music, love the Indo-Jazz Fusions, and agree that he has been marginalised.  But, this article is about the whole of British jazz, and your edits go to the other extreme of over-emphasising his importance.  The article needs to be properly balanced, and also needs to state what reliable sources say - not any individual editor's personal opinions.   Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for responding to my points raised. I agree that my edits might seem in the context of your overall article to slightly over emphasise highlighting the achievements and the importance of Harriott's contribution to music on an International scale,therefore maybe you could edit something down into a more manageable presentation for this page.it would be a shame not to include something regarding these particular achievements.His innovations in Free music and World music have not to my knowledge been in dispute so therefore some acknowledgement here would bring balance to the work that you have already done.(talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 11:28, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to look into it more in a few days time, when I'm less distracted by other stuff. In the meantime, if you or other editors want to add in some more reliable sources to inform the article, that would be great.  Don't forget to sign your messages, by the way. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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Chris McGregor
I 'accidentally' inherited a jazz show on KPFZ-FM, and am doing a mini-series on CmcG. ... I was in the same place & time with Chris at least three times ... At Blytheswood (a mission station) c 1943, when he was in Umtata -- now [Mthatha]] -- high school c 1955, and in Cape Town c 1963. I also lived in a small village qumbu and knew his cousins. Alanf777 (talk) 23:16, 17 October 2020 (UTC)