Talk:Brittney Griner/Archive 1

New media mention
NOTHING at all about her personal life? Who are her parents? Where was she born? Any siblings? Where did she attend elementary school? Her Major at Baylor? Surely, she's not all about basketball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.164.255 (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

For folks who might have interest...Ready to Perform on a Big Stage, also mentions this article! Sarah (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

apologies
My apologies for cluttering up the history of this article with multiple changes to the protection duration. I was getting an error message and didn't realize the protection was going through. Chick Bowen 18:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 April 2012
Please change "makining the second and third dunks of her college career" under College Career to "making the second and third dunks of her college career" because of a spelling error.

Amoriarty21 (talk) 02:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 03:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Si-zation - change
For example: "army spawn of 86 in" - it cost little or nothing of time, and most people on the planet probably understand cm, not inches... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.74.109.107 (talk • contribs) 12:30, May 26, 2013

Memes?
Should it be mention that she been compared to Chris Copeland?ElectroPro (talk) 02:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, nope - A l is o n  ❤ 19:41, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

clarification
The article says:

"The only international players surpassing her are the late Margo Dydek, at 7 ft 2 in (2.18 m), the late Sue Geh, at 2.05 metres (6 ft 9 in) tall, Heidi Gillingham at 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) and Allyssa DeHaan."

Surpassing her in what?

And why is this comparison limited to international players?

Kingturtle = (talk) 18:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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Extremely odd passage
"On June 4, 2015, Griner and Johnson announced that Johnson was pregnant with twins. The following day, and less than a month of marriage, Griner filed for an annulment of the marriage citing fraud and duress.[86] Griner has no biological connection to the twins.[86] It had been revealed that Johnson had become pregnant through in vitro fertilisation treatment using her eggs and a sperm donation.[87][88]"

This is incredibly strange wording. Was it really "revealed" that a woman was impregnated by sperm - through IVF, as common in lesbian couples - and that her female partner is not the biological parent of said conception? Is the average reader thinking that the fetus in woman A should be biologically the child of woman B? Are we supposed to react with scandal that Griner didn't conceive the child and has been cuckolded by a laboratory?

It would certainly be a "revelation" if a woman in a heterosexual relationship was impregnated by another man's sperm and her partner was not the biological parent. It's not worth noting here, especially in such salacious wording that implies infidelity. Unknown Temptation (talk) 00:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Solved it myself. While it's essential that we treat same-sex couples equally in society, we shouldn't equally make it a scandal when a woman in such a relationship is impregnated by another person's gamete. Unknown Temptation (talk) 00:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Unhelpful reordering
This reordering is unhelpful. It reflects no coherent approach. What was formerly chrono, is changed to be completely fragmented and arbitrary. It should be reverted. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brittney_Griner&diff=1076372538&oldid=1076342366 --2603:7000:2143:8500:A17F:8056:14D1:4E05 (talk) 00:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It's been fixed now. Endwise (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Paywall citations
References to NewYork Times articles are hidden behind a paywall. It would be better to cite non-paywall sources. Nickhonner (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:PAYWALL. ― Tartan357  Talk 21:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Link to Baylor Lady Bears in the header
In the article lead, there was a link to Baylor Bears basketball, with the text "Baylor Lady Bears". Baylor Bears basketball now redirects to Baylor Bears men's basketball. Since this article is specifically referring to the "Lady Bears", I changed the link to go to Baylor Bears women's basketball (since they're different teams). That said, the intro to the Baylor women's basketball page notes that, in fact, they don't use the nickname "Lady Bears" anymore. I think it's correct to link to the women's team but does anyone have thoughts on which team name should be used in this article? - Procyonidae (talk) 05:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * My bad, I thought this was another WP:NOTBROKEN edit. ― Tartan357  Talk 05:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Adding to additional Wiki link:
Can she be added to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_people_imprisoned_in_the_Soviet_Union? 67.168.247.188 (talk) 04:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Why on Earth would we do that? ― Tartan357  Talk 07:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

She is wrongfully incarcerated
The time she is currently incarcerated wrongfully in Russia should be added to her Wikipedia. We should show that the current sitting president would never talk about her, help her and leave her wrongfully imprisoned in Russia. This is actual fact, that is what the basis of wikipedia was founded on. We can't choose the truth, truth is fact not opinion. Stop censoring in a country that is suppose to have freedom of speech to taylor to the current administration's agenda or your personal allegiance. Please state the truth, she is wrongfully detained in Russia for over a 140+. Every word in this paragraph is fact not opinion, look it up. 2601:701:380:81C0:49C1:FA2B:F21F:202B (talk) 21:47, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's already covered in 'Personal life'. – 2 . O . Boxing  21:57, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @2601:701:380:81C0:49C1:FA2B:F21F:202B "wrongly" is subjective Matteow101 (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's the utterly excessive sentence that makes this "verdict" objectively wrong. 9 years imprisonment for 0.7 grams of marijuana for personal use, so a small-business drug courier who transports 0.7 kilograms should get 9,000+ years? Nope, the maximum sentence is ten years.--Myosci (talk) 12:47, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Myosci this is an opinion. wikipedia is not for opinions, but for facts Matteow101 (talk) 13:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Myosci also, it appears you are not a judge, therefore have no real credentials in what is right and wrong Matteow101 (talk) 13:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Every human being can tell the difference between right and wrong: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:... The difficult thing is to act on it, let me try and say: You won! But imagine you were in her place.--Myosci (talk) 17:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Myosci wikipedia is not a place for opinions. she is a convicted criminal in Russia whether you like it or not Matteow101 (talk) 00:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 July 2022
Link for "College	Baylor (2009–2013)" should go to Baylor women's basketball team not Baylor men's basketball team. 4.16.113.125 (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:46, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Dubious|2022 arrest in Russia
Under the "2022 arrest in Russia" it is claimed that hash oil is "legal in the U.S. but illegal in Russia." This is untrue. Hash oil is legal in a select few states but is illegal under federal law. See: https://sports.yahoo.com/hashish-oil-did-land-brittney-114041136.html, https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Marijuana-Cannabis-2020_0.pdf 136.36.63.252 (talk) 16:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * To add, as it is illegal at the federal level, it's actually illegal to fly with it within the US even if you're not leaving the state where it is 'legal.' She would have been arrested if it had been found at the airport here before she left. --14:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Mastersamuke (talk)

Wikipedia link (Vadim Krasikov)
Hey folks, I just wanted to make a suggestion to those who have the clearance to edit this article. In the "2022 arrest in Russia" section, in the last paragraph where Vadim Krasikov is mentioned, the link leads to the article of the man he assassinated (Zelimkhan Khangoshvili). This is somewhat confusing so might I suggest linking to the "2.1 Identifying Khangoshvili's assassin" section of Khangoshvili's page, (Zelimkhan Khangoshvili en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelimkhan_Khangoshvili#Identifying_Khangoshvili's_assassin) since Krasikov doesn't have an article of his own, for clarity's sake? Hanster98 (talk) 07:26, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ in Special:Diff/1102276233. Thanks for suggesting this. FWIW, you were able to make the edit yourself, since it's at the redirect, which unlike this page can be edited by any user. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 07:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh of course, you would edit the redirect not this article, good heads up and thanks for doing this! Hanster98 (talk) 09:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Please integrate Brittney Grimer’s testimony to the Russian court and that she is awaiting the results of the court’s deliberations.
142.126.179.24 (talk) 13:19, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Hash Oil legality
The article incorrectly states that hash oil is legal in the U.S.  it is not legal at the Federal level and not legal in all states. Hash oil is not legal in Texas, not even for medicinal purposes. Only a small amount of the THC concentrate is legal for rare medicinal purposes in Texas. 2600:1700:2190:A4A0:0:0:0:575 (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Clarified on page. While she was born in Texas, it is freely prescribed in Arizona, the state she resides. Cannabis oil and all other forms are banned at the US federal level. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:24, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

"Convicted drug smuggler" should be added to introduction
I think we can all agree the court's ruling was at least partially political in nature however it isn't wikipedia's job to determine right from wrong, merely to report in an unbiased manner, as things stand now she is without a doubt a convicted drug smuggler. Whether this conviction is fair or not is not for wikipedia to decide. But it has to be added to the intro since it is a notable fact, it shouldn't be buried on the literal last line of the page. 79.41.13.94 (talk) 17:49, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's in the last line of the lede not of the page - but yes, we ordinarily include notable convictions (and that what this is) in the first sentence. StAnselm (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't say she "is a convicted drug smuggler" at all. I'd challenge you to find a single reliable source that defines her that way. The sources say she is a basketball player that has been wrongly convicted of drug smuggling in a political case, not that she is a drug smuggler. Wikipedia is not deciding anything, we repeat the characterization made in reliable sources. What you are suggesting is making up our own characterization, which would be Wikipedia "deciding". The current wording and location is appropriate. ― Tartan357  Talk 18:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "U.S. women’s basketball star Brittney Griner on Thursday was convicted of bringing marijuana with criminal intent into Russia last February..." StAnselm (talk) 18:55, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "..convicted her of smuggling and possessing narcotics..." from the BBC.{https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62427635}. This should definitely be mentioned in the first sentence along with her being a basketball star. Slàinte mhath a chàirdean (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to be giving me sources that confirm what I just said. Neither of these identifies her as a "convicted drug smuggler". They call her a basketball star who was convicted of smuggling. There's a difference. The former would be stating in RS voice (and we would then need to pass on in Wikivoice) that this is what she is. The latter is passing on a fact about her conviction. What you are suggesting (putting it in the first sentence) is that her identity is centered on "smuggling" and that is where her notability comes from. Nonsense. No RS makes that characterization, and it is concerning that we even have to have this discussion. It was widely reported as a political conviction. I will repeat what I said since it was ignored: Find a source that defines Griner as a "drug smuggler" (not just one that says she has been convicted, which is obviously true), then we'll talk. ― Tartan357  Talk 19:56, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, it is apparent that the minor drug smuggling, a gram of so of pot, is very minor in relation to her role as a basketball player. The only reason this conviction bears mentioning in the lead is the long prison sentence due to it in Russia. There may be a case to describe her as a Russian prisoner, though, in the lede. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 20:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, at the end of the lead. The furthest I'd be willing to go for the first sentence is "American professional basketball player for the Phoenix Mercury of the Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) currently imprisoned in Russia", and then explain the conviction in the last paragraph of the lead. Drugs should not be in the first sentence. ― Tartan357  Talk 20:10, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That would work. Her current occupation, until released in a probable diplomatic deal though it may take a while, is prisoner or being imprisoned. That one gram of pot led to this, well, that's a detail that needs to be frame in context and balance. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 20:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That seems reasonable to me also. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 20:20, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @79.41.13.94 agreed Matteow101 (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

"Hostage of the Kremlin" would be more accurate
... since nine years prison for a vapor cartridge with marijuana for personal use is nothing but hostage-taking. The Kremlin wants to exchange her for the "Tiergarten" murderer de:Wadim Nikolajewitsch Krassikow who is in jail in Germany. --Myosci (talk) 20:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can call her a hostage, but she is a political prisoner, yes. It is frustrating that we have people on this talk page seeking to paint her as some kind of drug kingpin. ― Tartan357  Talk 20:29, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I personally agree she is a hostage, but it would not be impartial to frame it that way. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 20:19, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Myosci that is an opinion and not a fact. Laws in Russia are different than ones in the United States. Russia has legal sovereignty over the domain where griner was arrested and has authority to prosecute her for her crimes. Matteow101 (talk) 19:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The case is complicated, so we need to be careful not to be politically motivated, but neutral when describing it. Andre🚐 21:35, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Andrevan I agree Matteow101 (talk) 13:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Matteow101 The possession of a very tiny amount of a forbidden substance for only personal use is not a "crime" in the common sense. So I don't want to argue about the illegality: my point is that by that standard "that word" would apply to everyone, For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. --Myosci (talk) 07:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, it is a crime in many countries. Also in the US small amounts of cocaine used to lead to convictions. I personally agree this is hostage taking, but it wouldn't be neutral to call it that on Wikipedia. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 08:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * And her prosecutors should try harder to investigate offenses with a victim, like the doping of minors. A drug like trimetazidine can have serious side effects. --Myosci (talk) 09:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Myosci this is wikipedia. what they should or should not do, is a moral question and an opinion Matteow101 (talk) 13:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

So, for the hundreds of NFL stars who have been convicted for drug possession should have their ledes changed too? I get that this is the big deal of the moment, but why are we putting that at the beginning. I think a subheading for controversies is a better idea. Tyrone (talk) 14:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Tylerf2022, Griner's case differs from those others because her notability from now on shall probably derive more from this case than her athletic achievements. Your hundreds of athletes who face minor convictions were not sentenced to years of imprisonment in a hostile superpower nation during a geopolitically-significant armed conflict. Can you see the degree of importance here? WP:BLPLEAD prescribes that the lede does need to encapsulate their notability, and I can't envision a reality where this is no longer a "big deal" for Griner. Elizium23 (talk) 09:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Lots of unsupported opinions in this thread. Not "hostage". Not "political prisoner". Russia has different drug laws than US. She admits she broke the law. 99% of cases are convicted in Russia. Different legal system. Arrested before the Ukraine sanctions. 97.113.123.96 (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources describe it as a politically-motivated conviction. We follow reliable sources, not your original thoughts on the matter. And, judging from this nonsense, you are clearly not here to contribute constructively. ― Tartan357  Talk 01:59, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

To add to article
To add to this article: the amount of hash oil found in the cartridges in Griner's possession. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a source? Tyrone (talk) 14:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , "less than a gram of hash oil", "0.702 grams of cannabis". ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 08:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Prisoner Swap Completed
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/brittney-griner-release-russia-prisoner-swap-viktor-bout/

Brittney Griner was traded for the arms dealer Viktor Bout. King keudo (talk) 13:10, 8 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I have added this as a very simple statement of prisoner swap to the article. I apologize for any errors I may have made! King keudo (talk) 13:15, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I added the fact that Bout had done 10 years on his 25-year sentence. I also removed the word "contentious" describing the swap. There were two unidentified former agents who disagreed with the swap mentioned in the source. It has also been suggested the Paul Whelan should also have been released in the swap. Whelan's arrest, if memory serves, got him with thousands of cash and a list of Russian agents on him when he was arrested. He was in Moscow to supposedly attend a wedding, but he had separated from the wedding party. Whelan carries passports from four countries, again if memory serves, which include the U.S., Canada, and Ireland. There are probably thousands of prisoners in the U.S. who are incarcerated for lesser offenses than that for which Whelan was accused, and no suggestions that they should be released en masse. Activist (talk) 14:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * My original edit was replaced in an edit conflict, I believe, anyways. Not sure where the 'contentious' bit came from, though. King keudo (talk) 15:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "contentious" was added by some wanker from the "mother's basement IP editors and graffiti artists' club" who made four edits within an hour, none before or since, thankfully Activist (talk) 00:23, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

semi'd
I've semi'd for two days due to repeated addition of unsourced content and blp vios. Valereee (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Way overdue. Activist (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

criminal
We should mention in the first paragraph that she is a convicted criminal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.203.12.86 (talk • contribs)
 * Her political kidnap is mentioned in the lead, in the last paragraph. – 2 . O . Boxing  19:18, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2022
Change the information line to Brittney Griner is a convicted criminal as well as basketball player 2601:18C:8701:3E0:DA5A:C953:BA9E:6BF2 (talk) 02:54, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Her conviction in Russia is very unlikely to be portrayed that way. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Convicted criminal
As she is a criminal this should be mentioned in the first line. 46.114.1.200 (talk) 10:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * See above. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Can we make the Olympic Gold Medalist be visible?
Can this be changed so her Olympic Gold Medalist status is put above her HS basketball awards? 50.47.240.90 (talk) 20:06, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure where you mean. I have added the Olympics and All-Star mentions to the first paragraph in the Lead, but did you mean somewhere else in the article? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Using ipa after name.
Per MOS, For English words and names, pronunciation should normally be omitted for common words or when obvious from the spelling; use it only for foreign loanwords (coup d'etat), names with counterintuitive pronunciation (Leicester, Ralph Fiennes), or very unusual words (synecdoche). Malerooster (talk) 01:25, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree. The IPA pronunciation should be removed per MOS. Nosferattus (talk) 19:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mac Dreamstate, how else might someone familiar with English pronunciation rules think it was pronounced? Diner, finer, liner, miner...the only pronunciation error I can think of would be grinner, but there's dinner, pinner, sinner, thinner, winner. Valereee (talk) 14:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's perfectly justified in being included, as it falls within "names with counterintuitive pronunciation", or otherwise vowel ambiguity. "Grinner" is indeed one such mispronunciation, along with "Greener", therefore it's helpful to both those unfamiliar with the name and those without access to audio; MOS:ACCESS should apply, particularly in the case of those with hearing impairments.
 * I am of course aware of WP's guidelines discouraging IPA templates for common names, but this is not exactly "Becky Smith" or something else for which readers wouldn't think twice. This is an unusual name in a high-traffic article, so assuming everyone will know how to pronounce it seems counterproductive and a bit U.S.-centric. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mac Dreamstate, how would anyone get to "grinner" from "griner" when the rules of English spelling would indicate the name rhymes with diner, finer, liner, miner and would indicated it doesn't rhyme with grinner, dinner, sinner, thinner, winner? Or that it rhymes with greener, when both griner and greener comply with English pronunciation rules? The name Griner completely complies with English pronunciation rules: Hard vowel if followed by a single consonant. It's not an exception to the pronunciation rules understood by anyone with basic English pronunciation rules. Valereee (talk) 20:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Despite those few examples I disagree completely, and believe it's a disservice not to include it, but I won't pursue it. Revert away. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

2021
Would someone please add in the career info for 2021? It looks like she had a good year. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ssilvers, the protection level would allow you to add this, I think? Valereee (talk) 20:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've done what I can, but I'm not normally a basketball (or even sports) person. Can someone who knows more about basketball please fill out the section? -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:58, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I just did. MasterMatt12 (talk) 23:02, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I put it in chronological order and removed the language parameter in the cites, which is only needed for foreign languages. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:30, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem :) MasterMatt12 (talk) 00:08, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Griner 2022
Should we talk about just the Mercury in 2022, and how many games they won and how well they did despite Griner not playing? MasterMatt12 (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think one can infer much about the Mercury's 2022 season from Griner's absence. It would be speculative at best, even if some sports pundit mentioned it.  They didn't do better in *every* season that she did play. More relevant to her biography are her own experiences during 2022. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:30, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * But can you also update the off-season section with some cites about the recent years that are missing? I believe that she continued to play for Ekaterinburg up until she was arrested. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:37, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2022
The line "medically-prescribed hash oil" is not correct. Look it up. 2600:1700:8841:11B0:D9CC:B3F5:CB60:E494 (talk) 20:14, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You must state exactly what change you wish to be made and cite your source. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:30, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Detainment of Brittney Griner article?
Should we have a separate article for the detainment of Brittney Griner? It is also in the requested basketball articles list under current events. MasterMatt12 (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * There exists such an article, and it is currently under a deletion discussion. If you would like to participate, you can here. King keudo (talk) 22:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. MasterMatt12 (talk) 22:51, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, there is an article that has all the information about it: Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2023
Can the two categories Category:American people imprisoned abroad and Category:Prisoners and detainees of Russia please be reduced to the more specific Category:American people imprisoned in Russia for this article? It's a mere clerical fix, but I just created my account and don't want to forget to do so later. Thank you in advance!

--Voyager 1 Low Battery Alert (talk) 21:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Lemonaka (talk) 06:49, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Amount of hash oil in lead
A recent change removed the amount of hash oil carried by Griner from the leadunder the claim of it not being notable enough. Pending discussion of why it isn't notable, I have reverted. King keudo (talk) 00:18, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Edited, bolded edit, to clarify my original comment. King keudo (talk) 00:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't think it's notable enough for the lead because it implies that the amount of oil she carried was somehow trivial.
 * If it's going to be said at all, I propose that the sentence be changed to reflect the actual amount of substance she carried, and not the non-specific statement of "less than a gram" that seems like it's designed to trivialize her possession of the cannabis oil, especially in the context of Russia and their ongoing issues when viewed from a Western stance. Cessaune (talk) 01:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree with removing an indication of the amount from the Lead, but if someone can source the exact amount, that would be even better. One gram of cannabis oil is not very much, and it is important to put the crime with which she was charged in perspective.  That does not trivialize it, it quantifies it.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * For the moment, I'm inclined to agree that the 'less than a gram' belongs in the lead. Looking over the sources used both in the lead and in the section 2022 arrest and imprisonment in Russia, only the NPR source appears to specifically state the 'less than a gram' when covering the arrest and the plea by Griner. However, later sources such as this one do specifically link the amount of 'less than a gram' to the apparent over-sentencing of the subject. The comparison is important; the sentence imposed is being analyzed by sources as excessive, and probably politically motivated. I think that's why we keep this info in the lead; RS describe it as notable for the subjects arrest in light of global political theater. King keudo (talk) 15:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I too believe less than a gram belongs in the lead. Sources point out just how trivial the amount was. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 20:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)