Talk:Broadsheet

Price/circulation wars
(We should probably mention something about the endless price/circulation wars. These have got quite vicious (particularly between the Times and the Telegraph) in recent years, with lots of sneaky tricks (eg putting free papers on trains) being employed to up circulation figures.)

(And of course, the rest of the world has newspapers too...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bth (talk • contribs) 09:18, 9 August 2002, moved to talk page by Александър (talk • contribs) 22:37, 15 August 2003

Political alignment
Can someone point out which of the 4 major newspapers are right wing or left wing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kent Wang (talk • contribs) 00:41, 6 January 2004

UK-centricity
This article is way too UK-centric. You would think from this article that there were only six broadsheets in the entire world. Descriptions of the UK newspaper industry should probably be moved to a separate article. (In my collection, I believe I can come closer to 300, and that's just in the US.) 18.24.0.120 02:35, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

"Historically, broadsheets developed after the British in 1712 placed a tax on newspapers based on the number of their pages. Larger formats, however, had long been signs of status in printed objects, and still are in many places, and outside Britain the broadsheet developed for other reasons, including style and authority, unrelated to the British tax structure. The original purpose of the broadsheet, or broadside, was for the purpose of posting royal proclamations, acts, and official notices. Eventually the people began using the broadsheet as a source for political activism by reprinting speeches, ballads or narrative songs originally performed by bards. With the early mechanization of the 19th century came an increase in production of printed materials including the broadside as well as the competing penny dreadful. In this period newspapers all over Europe began to print their issues on broadsheets. However, in the United Kingdom, the main competition for the broadside was the gradual reduction of the newspaper tax, beginning in the 1830s, and eventually its dismissal in 1855.[4]"

I think its because the UK is where the modern broadsheet originated(213.167.69.4 (talk) 10:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC))

Who's Who
Maybe the aricle is "way" too U.K-centric, but no more so than most articles we Americans write about things are U.S.-centric.


 * I'll leave it to others to write the article on U.S. broadsheets -- somebody out there in the Wiki-verse must be far more knowledgable about it than myself. But I think that I can say which U.K. papers are which politically.  The Times and the Telegraph are the right-wing entries in question, the Guardian and the Independent are the left-wing ones, unless things have changed very drastically very recently.
 * Rlquall 15:40, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * I always thought The Times was fairly balanced, perhaps a tiny bit right-wing, but of all the newspapers the most unpredictable in its politics. --Taras 02:23, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The Times is assuredly not right-wing in the sense that the Washington Times is, and if I gave anyone that incorrect impression I certainly apologize.

Rlquall 17:48, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

How big?
Could someone add the physical dimensions of the paper? Rmhermen 05:31, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)


 * I was about to say "yes, I wonder where I could find that out" when I realised I have Saturday's Guardian downstairs. So I can definitively say that it measures 14&frac34; by 23&frac12; inches (or 29&frac12; by 23&frac12; if you want the size of an open spread, which I suppose is more sensible). Assuming the "tabloid" sections inside, and my local free paper, are genuinely the same size as tabloids (which makes sense in terms of standardised equipment), they're exactly half: 11&frac34; by 14&frac34; (23&frac12; by 14&frac34; opened out). I think I'll add that to both articles. - IMSoP 22:33, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Indeed, is it an ISO standard like A4? if not, how is it encyclopedic? as a concept for "very big newspaper"? This article needs more information of broadsheet as either a standard size or a cultural concept.--Esteban Barahona (talk) 18:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Under printing considerations: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.185.190.125 (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC) It's hard to imagine from the description given how the end of a roll with four front pages printed on it is cut in half to produce eight pages. Is it actually quartered to produce four sheets with eight pages as the pages are counted front and back? Or is it rather that the roll is cut in half and the sheets are cut from the roll at the length of two pages so that each sheet produced holds four pages when folded? In the latter case, it would seem that the front edge of the roll would only contain two front pages. Hopefully someone who knows can clarify the description. Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.185.190.125 (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Broadsheet in content or size?
We have to consider with this article whether:

- we see broadsheets as all serious newspapers - or we see broadsheets as newspapers with a broadsheet size.

The Independent on Sunday will soon be a tabloid, so it won't be possible to have 'The Independent on Sunday' (The Independent is now a compact).

Perhaps there should be a separate section listing compacts on this page?
 * I work in the Press Cutting industry, ex-broadsheets are now called "Quality". So you have Tabloid (Sun, Mirror), Mid-Range (Daily Mail), Quality (The Guardian, The Times) and Broadsheet. I'll try to find something on the NLAs page, and maybe put a note in Connotations. ~ Mlk 14:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC) ~

Supplements
G2 is now half-Berliner; Times 2 is a tabloid supplement to a compact.

I had a go at re-editing the section about the supplements, but I'm still not happy with it. I'm not sure how many UK tabloid supplements there really are to broadsheets; the only broadsheets left will be the Telegraph and the Sunday Times once the Observer follows the Guardian to Berliner and the Sindie follows the Indie to compact.

Well, plus the Herald and the Yorkshire Post (are there any other regional broadsheets?).

Of those, the Telegraph doesn't carry tabloid supplements as far as I know, but the Herald does. The Sunday Times has so many sections, some in tabloid, some in broadsheet, some in A4 and some in even smaller sizes that the G2-style "features section" isn't really an appropriate model.

Perhaps we should discuss G2/T2 as something that newspapers used to do, rather than do?

--Po8crg 11:53, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

USA Today?
From the article:
 * a leading English language daily newspaper from India, followed closely by USA Today and The New York Times from the United States, 

USA Today is not in the broadsheet format, is it? It seems tiny compared to the New York Times. AxelBoldt 16:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

"The world's most widely circulated English language daily broadsheet is The Times of India, a leading English language daily newspaper from India, followed closely by The New York Times from the United States, according to the Audit Bureau of Circulations." how accurate is that description? looking at the New York Times page it says it falls behind both USA Today and the Wall Street Journal in circulation. by the way I think USA Today is a broadsheet, they just use fewer columns? (not sure about this) Phatalbert 02:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Subjective definitions?
"Some tabloid papers (particularly the Daily Mail and Daily Express) often use phrases such as "broadsheet quality in a tabloid format" to distinguish themselves from the "tabloid" reputation."

It's worth noting here that the Mail and Express were originally published in broadsheet format (as were the Times, Guardian, and Independent), only to change to a smaller format at a later date. Yet the Mail and Express are now regarded as "tabloid", whereas the others are still considered "broadsheet". What's the difference? 217.155.20.163 23:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Is the Broadsheet size being related to a tax on the number of pages a myth?
I quote: "Scholar Kevin G. Barnhurst demolishes the broadsheet myth in his 1994 book Seeing the Newspaper, calling it 'received history.' No one factor explains the broadsheet's rise, he writes. Yes, the British did impose a new tax in 1712, but the 'British tax on paper did not initiate relatively large newspaper formats,' he writes."

See, "The Myth of the Broadsheet": http://slate.com/id/2115120/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemoranedinburgh (talk • contribs) 07:45, 1 July 2007

Needs to point to sources for further reading
I have just made some minor edits to the entry to address the UK-centric quality and add other perspectives and examples. Besides my book noted in the previous comment, I'd suggest adding a list including the following:

Barnhurst, Kevin G. Seeing the Newspaper. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1994.

Barnhurst, Kevin G., and John Nerone. The Form of News, A History. New York: Guilford Press, 2001.

Evans, Harold. Newspaper Design. New York: Holt, 1973.

Hutt, Allan. The Changing Newspaper. London: Fraser, 1973.

If someone has time and inclination there is a broad, international survey of press formats in my monograph, with images of the wild, sensationalist broadsheets of central Europe and many others, based on an exhibit I curated for the Cooper Union, NYC, in 1994, and another focused on Spain in 1997:

Barnhurst, Kevin G. "Newspapers as Twentieth-Century Texture." In The News Aesthetic, pp. 22–35. Ed. Lawrence Mirsky & Silvana Tropea. New York: Princeton Architectural Press, 1995.

Barnhurst, Kevin G., José Manuel de Pablos, et al. "Los periódicos españoles en la textura del siglo XX." Latina: Revista Latina de Comunicación Social 18 (June 1999). Available at http://www.ull.es/publicaciones/latina/a1999gjn/79ke/vin.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.233.140.72 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 2 July 2007

History
A more thorough history would be useful .. Broadsheets date back at least to the German 'Flugblatt' .. perhaps German language wikipedia article about the Flugblatt could be translated and assimilated into this article? MatthewStevenCarlos Sunday 12 August 2007 17:47 Central European Summer Time. —Preceding signed comment added by 213.221.252.216 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 12 August 2007

Factual Mistakes - Israeli Newspapers
Maariv and Yedioth Aharonoth are published in tabloid format, except for the weekend edition (which is broadsheet). Makor Rishon is also a tabloid, as far as I know). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.108.130 (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Redundancy in US Broadsheet list
The list of US broadsheets opens with this text:

United States Almost all major U.S. newspapers are broadsheets, including major publications like:

This seems redundant to me in the extreme. There are literally hundreds of newspapers in the US; we should either create a single list by format (perhaps including circulation) or create an exception list - if almost all papers are broadsheet, let's list the very few that are not instead of 10% of the ones that are. The idea to me would be to add sheet sizes to the List of newspapers in the United States by circulation article and indicate that it is only the top X of US newspapers.

We'll obviously need to build a consensus around altering List of newspapers in the United States by circulation, but at the very least I think we should reverse the polarity of the list present in this article. Using the references cited earlier in paragraph, I'll replace the list of US broadsheets with exceptions - IF there is a consensus - beginning at 0000UTC on 14 Nov 2009.

The Oregonian has converted to stapled compact/tabloid format: http://www.oregonlive.com/multimedia/index.ssf/2014/04/the_oregonians_new_compact_new.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.76.45.151 (talk) 22:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Conversion bug
29+1/2 by does not work properly. Peter Horn User talk 21:24, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal
This article and Broadside (printing) cite each other as synonyms. Broadside (printing) is very short. . . effectively a stub, although not tagged as such. It would make sense to merge the content of Broadside (printing) into this article and replace it with a redirect. (The disambiguation page would also have to be modified.)--Pat Berry (talk) 18:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose This article concerns "broadsheet", i.e., a size of newspaper. Broadside is typically used (and especially in bibliography) to refer to an announcement, advertisement or proclamation printed on one side only and used as a poster.  I see these as fundamentally different terms, even though they occasionally may be used as synonyms. Ecphora (talk) 15:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed the merger proposal pursuant to the comment at Talk:Broadside (printing). Ecphora (talk) 01:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

giant list of countries
very distracting! can someone make a different page that lists all that, or a table or something? i have no clue how to do this. but it looks hard to read like this. Cmmartinez326 (talk) 17:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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