Talk:Brockhampton (band)

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because BROCKHAMPTON is a very fast growing music collective. Deleting the page will just mean it needs to be remade in a few weeks. Recent videos on their YouTube page have reached well over 100,000 so they are not irrelevant.

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... they blowing up soon, hit front page of reddit :) --67.168.156.143 (talk) 01:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2017
cal chuchesta isn't a member 128.187.116.19 (talk) 00:20, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done in this edit. Gulumeemee (talk) 03:40, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2017
Brockhampton is not a boyband. Gimmicky labels don't have any place on Wikipedia and should accurately reflect the subject. Xdogbertx (talk) 20:41, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌. What is the problem with Wikipedia calling them a boyband? They themselves use this term.  City O f  Silver  20:55, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:SECONDARY sources frequently discuss how they call themselves a boy band despite not having been assembled by a producer auditioning dancers and singers, which is the usual boy band recipe. So it's fine to tell the reader that they call themselvs a boy band, but we should also indicate that they are not really considered a boy band, or that they are trying to redefine the term "boy band." Binksternet (talk) 23:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Kevin Doan
He seems to be missing on the member list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.245.43 (talk) 07:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2017
Ashlan Grey's real name is Cody Valentina, I propose change his name in the Current Members area as Cody "Ashlan Grey" Valentina, source of this is from the documentary wherein he is called Cody and how his name in the Billy Star movie credits is Cody Valentina. Also please don't change his time from 2016-present to 2015-present because it was stated in a TheFader article that he joined when BROCKHAMTPON moved to LA (I was the one that changed it from 2015 to 2016 in the past, didn't have an account then though. Icemombay (talk) 08:30, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DlCFNmqaS3Y At around 19:40 credits, “South Central Crew” it says Cody Valentina as well as Cody Valentina as Van Nuys Cody, all the other people in the Van Nuys crew are people we know like Matt Champion and Brian Kinnes, and the only obscure one that die hard fans such as myself know is Ashlan, which in the credits says Cody, and if you watch the saturation documentary, Ashlan is referred to as Cody multipl times (no link, it’s in the box set) and the reason I say he joined in 2016 is because in this article by the fader (https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/11/16748260/brockhampton-boy-band-interview-kevin-abstract-odd-future) it states that Ashlan is the newest member, that joined only a year and a half ago, and with some calculating we know that Brockhampton moved to LA a year and a half ago (Kevin stating they moved a year ago during the DOASM tour in Maeeicna Boyband which is roughly 7 months ago, meaning they moved to la 1 year and 7 months ago, but the article is from last month so the math checks out. If this is still inefficient source I’ll link some screenshots of the sources to make it easier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icemombay (talk • contribs) 00:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Boy band or Musical Collective
So there seems to be this disruptive editing to change them from a musical collective to a boy band. They don't meet the definition of a boy band so believe they should stay as a music collective and we keep the note that they themselves as a boy band. Before any changes are made again to the article, can you please discuss here if you feel it should be different. NZFC (talk) 22:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

"American Boyband"
I feel that it is a disservice to the group that certain Wikipedia members have made such concentrated efforts to remove the label they wish to apply to themselves and decided that they should enforce that change. The group, both as an entity and through their individual outlets (band members' twitters, video interviews, etc.) has made it very clear that they want to be, and are to be considered a boyband. I've added boyband in quotes for the moment - you're welcome to change it back if you want but I personally think that it does not paint an accurate picture of what the band is aiming to be if you leave it out. I wouldn't be opposed to listing both musical collective and boyband in the header but ultimately I think it really needs to be included. Pigammon (talk) 09:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree, sure they like to call themselves that but it doesn't mean they are. Look at the definition of a boy band.

""boy band (or boyband) is loosely defined as a vocal group consisting of young male singers, usually in their teenage years or in their twenties at the time of formation, singing love songs marketed towards young women. Being vocal groups, most boy band members do not play musical instruments, either in recording sessions or on stage,""


 * So despite them wanting to call themselves that, musical collective is a better fit. The band calling themselves a Boy Band is still in the lead. NZFC  (talk)


 * I agree. A better label would be "hip hop group"; Brockhampton is more akin to Wu-Tang Clan or N.W.A., rather than NSYNC or One Direction. Waterco4 (talk) 11:04, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is built on WP:SECONDARY sources. Secondary sources define the topic. If a musical artist says their music is one thing, but reviewers generally say it is another thing, then we use the reviewers' consensus as the defining source. This is the same all over Wikipedia – if the subject of a biography makes statements that are contradicted by the media consensus, then the media have the final word. In every case, it is still relevant to tell the reader what is being said by the subject, but this is done in prose in the article body, and it is not defining. So Brockhampton is not going to be defined as a boy band by Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 19:50, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


 * First of all, I don't think they've ever actually called themselves "the internet's first boy band", so the lead needs to change anyway. The two cited sources don't have that as a quote from the boys. Secondly, that definition even says itself that the term is loosely defined, so squarely sticking to what it says isn't going to solve anything. "Traditional" boy bands don't exclusively sing love songs in the first place. As for secondary sources, here's four. 1 2 3 4 . I'm sure you'd find more with a quick Google. Pigammon (talk) 00:10, 28 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The links you provided include this one that calls the band a collective, and says that the band describes themselves as a boyband. This one also calls them a collective, and a "self-proclaimed boyband," which diminishes the claim to being a boy band. This one also calls them a collective, while giving them more leeway to describe themselves as a boyband. So your goal of changing the first sentence to be purely "boyband" is going to be an uphill battle. I think it will be easier to get rid of the phrase that says "the internet's first boy band". Binksternet (talk) 01:07, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Members
There are a lot of people adding members or changing current members to past members. All the ones listed at the moment are sourced. Please don't add others or change current members with out a reliable source. NZFC (talk) 21:47, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

At what point are they a boyband?
Brockhampton's declaration of being a boyband is becoming increasingly accepted by publications. They're now doing live shows with choreographed dances in matching outfits and teenage girls screaming at the top of their lungs for them. I fail to see how this is more Wu-Tang than N-SYNC. They might not have quite fit a boyband starting out, but this is quickly changing; they're actively succeeding in redefining what a boyband is. At what point does Wikipedia accept this?

I believe now is the proper time for Wikipedia to call Brockhampton a boyband. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1f00:3710:e582:dd7d:1296:758d (talk • contribs)


 * Your third and fourth references also call them a collective. Two weeks ago when Brockhampton signed to RCA, the well-respected veteran entertainment industry magazine Variety said Brockhampton is a collective. Billboard ran the same news item, also calling them a collective. Publishing at the same time, Interview magazine said they are a collective who claims to be a boy band. A month ago, KQED called them a collective. And the previously published references saying they are a collective continue to add their weight to the argument. So I don't think the tipping point has been reached yet. Binksternet (talk) 18:17, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Group Timeline
Should we include a group timeline as with other groups and bands? Timeless Days (talk) 22:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

The current timeline is terrible.
It is completely cluttered to the point it is unreadable and there are very few accurate dates, i.e. for when people left or joined, because they aren't really known (e.g. Gordan and Tenor left at the exact same time according to this; and Ontenient performed skit vocals for exactly the length of 2017 Jan 1st to Dec 31st. It shows incredibly little that the members section doesn't already show better.

Also the colours are way too close to one another because so many roles have to be covered so it is very unclear at times. I think it's an eyesore and should be removed from the page AM Woody (talk) 13:59, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Discography
The discography is missing one of their starting albums : All American Trash Smart person010120 (talk) 06:11, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

dominic fike as an 'associated act'
hes been promoted on their channel here and is feature on a song and music video with brockhampton members here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.33.255 (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2019
The line "they aim to reclaim or redefine the word" should be changed to simply "they aim to redefine the word". The idea they are "reclaiming" it does not make sense. From who? Boy bands have never been categorized in this manner, so they can't be reclaiming it. They can only be redefining it. To reclaim it would mean that boy bands were originally closer to their conception but then the definition drifted away from that, and they'd be returning it to the original definition - this certainly is not the case. Poochwang (talk) 21:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done NiciVampireHeart 21:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

The Timeline, and Rodney Tenor
I agree that the timeline is kind of a mess, so yeah, per the issues above. But where do we place Rodney's departure? He was in All-American Trash, but left in 2016, so where would we put that date? Timeless Days (talk) 14:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2019
Change "The group was a guest on Late Night With Jimmy Fallon, interviewed and then performing "Sugar" with vocals by Ryan Beatty on October 24th." to "The group was a guest on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, interviewed and then performing "Sugar" with vocals by Ryan Beatty on October 24th." JasonFarrEdits (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 19:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

To add to article
Basic information to add to this article: where the name Brockhampton comes from, and what it refers to. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 06:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Need to start pages for the members
It seems wrong that there are only pages for Kevin and a former member (Ameer). Anyone here down to start drafting pages for all of the other members? Mistamystery (talk) 22:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)