Talk:Brodie helmet

Protection Against Bullets
The article states: "None of the steel helmets introduced during the World War I era were intended to protect against bullets." In reality:

"The American helmet was a slightly modified version of the British MkI helmet. The helmet was made of 13 percent pressed manganese steel alloy, 0.035 inch thick, and could be ruptured only by a blow of 1,600 pounds or more. The British helmet had twice the ballistic strength of the French helmet. The helmets of British design produced in the United States had an overall ballistic strength 10 percent greater than that of the original British helmet. The ballistics specifications of the M1917 helmet required it to resist penetration by a 230-grain caliber .45 bullet with a velocity of 600 f.p.s. " [ Chptr XI, pg 642, 'WOUND BALLISTICS', Medical Department of the US Army, http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/woundblstcs/chapter11.htm]

Suggest revising the text to: - highlight the differences in manufacture and strength of the US M1917 as compared to the UK Mk1 - identify the required protection capabilities in regard to the .45 cal. - Revise the initial statement to read "None of the steel helmets introduced during the World War I era were intended to protect against bullets fired from typical battle rifles of the era." 67.181.60.83 (talk) 07:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The standard British tin hat (subject of this article) was only ever intended to protect the head of a wearer in a trench, the helmet being introduced as a result of the large number of shrapnel and shell-fragment casualties with head injuries. The helmet was intended to protect the head of the wearer from what would nowadays be called 'airburst', i.e., projectiles coming from above. It was never intended to protect against bullets, the thickness of steel required would have made the helmet heavy and uncomfortable, as well as expensive to produce. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.67.151 (talk) 21:59, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Glass slipper
There's no doubt that the current version of the article is, in Wikipedia terms, correct as it is supported by a book reference; my amendment was wrong. I'm reminded of poor Cinderella who, thanks to an early mistranslation, was condemned to dance the night away in a glass slipper (pantoufle de verre) rather than a fur slipper (vair). The serious point: is there any chance that the poor mediaeval infantryman, going into battle with an iron chapel (chapel) on his head has suffered from a similar mistranslation at some stage — le chapeau (hat) for la chapelle?--217.155.32.221 (talk) 09:07, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that I entirely follow your drift, but according to Wiktionary, chapel is Old French for "hat". Even the British Museum calls it a chapel-de-fer - see Defence and decoration: new findings on a late fourteenth-century ‘kettle-hat’ helmet found in London. Alansplodge (talk) 00:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

No Brodie Helmet byword on the Brodie (name) wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brodie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.223.127.247 (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have added John Leopold Brodie with a link to this article at Brodie. Alansplodge (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Pre-Brodie German Helmets.
I feel that if mention is to be made of the French "skullcap" helmet that preceded the Brodie (and the Adrian) then the German equivalent, the Gaede, should also be acknowledged en passant. Hengistmate (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

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Edits 28/11/2017
I have pulled this together a little. The chronology leapfrogs somewhat, so I've tried to accommodate that. It is actually rather complicated by the Type B, which wasn't a developmental stage, more of a dead-end, but this will have to do for now. Hengistmate (talk) 13:50, 28 November 2017 (UTC)