Talk:Brogue (accent)

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A more likely explanation is found in Dineen's "Irish-English Dictionary" (page 82): BARRÓG: defective accentuation, hence the Anglo-Irish brogue. Compare BARRÓG TEANGAN, a lisp; a difficulty. The shoe explanation sounds like an folk etymology. The word would have sounded like "brogue" in the Munster dialect of Irish. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.63.68.175 (talk • contribs).

A further quote from Eric Partridge's "A Short Etymological Dictionary of Modern English" states: "Brogue, a dial. pronunciation, especially the Irish pronunciation E: Ir BARRÓG, a hold or bond, e.g. on the tongue, hence a defective pronunciation, hence the English sense. A brogue is a strong Irish accent in the ENGLISH language not the Irish language although it derives from Gaelic pronunciation. I can find no instance of the Scottish accent being referred to as a brogue. It is usually called a "burr". I nominate this article for complete revision or deletion due to factual errors and unsourced assertions.

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Currently there's a sentence, which cites Walshe's Irish English as Represented in Film (but incorrectly lists page 4 and not page 15), and states that the well known origin of English language use of brogue is a false/folk etymology. That same page also claims that the barròg origin is outright incorrect due to research reported by Murphy 1943. I have to hunt the Murphy reference down someday. Dragonarras (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Relationship with other Brogue accents
Brogue mentions Mission brogue and Ottawa Valley brogue. It seems to me what makes those other accents "Brogues" is the fact that they were heavily influenced by Irish immigrants, but this article makes no mention currently of Brogues carried by Irish immigrants to other parts of the English speaking world. I added the reference to Brogue at the top of the article, but maybe someone more qualified than myself would like to expand on it in the main body of the article. 95.90.235.121 (talk) 05:13, 27 January 2021 (UTC)