Talk:Broken (1993 film)

Move
I have moved this from its original place at Broken - The Movie to here because of Wikipedia naming conventions. Any objections can be raised at my talk page. Thanks, [[User:Consequencefree| Ardent &dagger; &isin; ]] 01:56, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The Broken movie was never investigated by the FBI, that was Down In It. Whether or not that was the impetus for this, or the reason why it sits in a can is simply speculation. Also, this article should really include something about the best version of this in circulation to be a 3rd or 4th generation copy at best. The thing looks like crap, which only helps add to the whole snuff feel. --Outofkeyslightly 10:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

The article needs more sources, particular regard the "dropouts" which is frequently mentioned on the internet without references

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There was a copy with no dropouts and the Help Me I am in Hell video in full circulating. I had a copy in 1994 but it was stolen a few years later. --Maytag (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Images
Revolutionary here, I was just wondering if it's a good idea to put screenshots from all videos? Even if they are particularly disturbing?

Trivia section removal
The sole piece of trivia, "The movie was filmed in black-and-white, except for the "Gave Up" video (which was in color)," mistakenly protrays the "Gave Up" video from Closure as being part of the Broken movie. This was incorrect and in contradiction with the rest of the article. Since there was no factually-accurate trivia, I deleted the entire section. -- Rynne 16:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This might have been worded poorly, but it might deserve a mention because it's been noted that the Broken Movie version of Gave Up is in black and white, while the snuff parts included in the video are in color. The observation being that all the black and white scenes pertaining to the snuff were 'current', with the investigation and the execution, while the color scenes were the 'past' record of the crime. Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.110.216 (talk) 21:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

YouTube links
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Robert Patrick
Give me any non-imdb source that Robert Patrick is the cop? I've seen many arguments that it's actually Richard, and no proof anywhere that it's Robert, apart from speculation because he's dressed as a cop before. Year 0 22:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see a better source for this, too. I've never seen any primary-source document which identifies who plays the cop. - rynne 16:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

That's not Robert Patrick as the cop. I showed the movie to a friend who is a huge Robert Patrick fan and she said "No way" when I showed her (and she was hoping it was him.) She said (and I agree) the facial features are too different, especially the nose. So this is just a rumour, not fact, and should be removed from the article or reworded so it is not taken as fact. If no-one does, eventually I will.


 * There's no cast listing in general, so I doubt anyone else than the authors knows the personnel. // Gargaj 21:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The cop definitely looks like Richard Patrick to me. Given that he was in NIN at the time, and was shown in the videos for Wish and the Closure version of Gave Up, I'd say that's enough to warrant at least a mention about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.110.216 (talk) 20:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Synopsis update?
Now considering that the film doesn't start with the car scene but the execution, I think the summary needs a refresh. // Gargaj 20:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Fine, go ahead and do it. Be bold! Tabanger  22:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * My point was that I'm technically not really qualified to do so since I can't really recall all details. But ok, I'll try to watch it again eventually. // Gargaj 10:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyright status?
I wonder what's the current copyright status of the film... it is obviously copyrighted because it even includes a notice, but it "officially" doesn't exist and there have been no claims for it and the distribution is, well, "encouraged". So i wonder if it's legal to spread it. // Gargaj 09:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no ambiguity about it. Copyright law is clear.  Creative works, regardless of notice, are protected by copyright law until they are released into or lapse (120 years from creation (since there has been no publication) for work for hire) into the public domain.  When copyright is in effect, NO ONE except the copyright holder has the right to grant permission to make copies of or redistribute the work.  As far as I am aware, no permission has been granted to anyone by the copyright holder, Interscope Records, for distributing copies, so under the strict letter of the law, it would be illegal to do so.  The practical realities of the situation are another story.    Tabanger   19:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and that's exactly what I meant. The copyright notice at the end of the movie kindof made me wonder to be honest; Interscope Records must be aware of the existence of the movie as it was likely to be produced as some sort of promotion, but question is, had they need to step up to protect their own copyrights about it, how would they do that? I mean basically it's something that looks like an "amateur snuff movie" that doesn't even officially exist. Sure, they would have the MEANS to do it, but I'd be really curious on how they would handle the publicity around it. // Gargaj 19:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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Character Gender
This entire article is laced with "him/her" and "his/her" statements regarding the character being tortured throughout the film, and it looks terrible. I myself have seen the best quality version available on the internet (which may have been, as implied, released by Reznor himself), and it's fairly high quality. The main character in the film is most certainly male, and if it's desired, I can show screenshots to back this up. Ther shouldn't be any dispute whatsoever as to the character's gender. In "Gave Up," when the character is stripped down to his underwear, you can see that he's wearing briefs, most commonly worn by men (not a great point, but it's there). Also, the character has no breasts, and when he's completely stripped naked, his penis is clearly revealed, and very soonafter, chopped off. I'm pretty sure that when a penis is clearly shown attached to a person on film, we can assume that the character is male. I think that all of the androgynous pronouns should be removed and replaced with exclusively male pronouns, as it's correct (and certainly looks better). 76.84.89.30 (talk) 04:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen the same version and agree, so I've removed the ambiguity. --jh51681 (talk) 11:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the character is a man. It occured to me, however, that this role may be played by a woman. Thinking about it, casting a somewhat mannish-looking woman in this part has a key practical advantage: in the penis-severing scene, it saves you the trouble of figuring out a way to hide the actor's real penis. With a woman actor, you just build prosthetic genitalia to be cut off and attach them to her crotch; no need to worry about a telltale bulge (wherever they are tucking the actor's junk) making the effects look unrealistic. Nowadays they could use CGI, of course, but I suspect that was out of these filmmmakers' reach in 1992. Just a thought.


 * Your friend, Augustus Chip (talk) 19:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Torture porn?
Has Reznor ever talked about why he created a "torture porn" film? Or is it just like the "Happiness in Slavery" video—"just because he did." :) RobertM525 (talk) 09:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In one interview, he said about Happiness, "These were the most appropriate visuals for the song." –Pomte 09:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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Plot Summary
The plot section is way to long and overly detailed for a 20 minutes short film. Wikipedia is not here to describe movies shot for shot. 70.119.247.185 (talk) 15:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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