Talk:Broken Hill

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is that right - iron?

Syd1435 07:31, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)

"Broken Hill is also one of the stops of The Ghan and Indian Pacific Railway, luxury trains which are two of the classic train journeys. The Ghan goes from  Adelaide to Darwin via Alice Springs, and The Indian Pacific from Sydney  to Perth via Adelaide."

I strongly doubt that Broken Hill could be considered a stop on the Ghan railway. That's Adelaide to darwin - indian pacific is the only train to stop there.

Having taken the Ghan regularly between Adelaide and Sydney (yes, the GHAN), I can attest that it does indeed stop at Broken Hill. Troyac 11:11, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The route map at http://www.gsr.com.au/ clearly shows The Ghan only goes Adelaide-Darwin. I recall a few years ago they talked about extending the Ghan to Sydney or Melbourne. I thought they only talked, but evidently they did it for a while. Is it possible they stopped running it from Sydney when they started running to Darwin and needed more rolling stock for the longer journey? --Scott Davis Talk 12:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I have no first-hand knowledge, but the route map on The Ghan shows it going to Sydney. — mæstro t/c, 02:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That map would improve by removing the Sydney link (the junction is in the wrong place anyway), removing the Melbourne link and making the bend at Tarcoola sharper. The GSR website certainly doesn't let me book tickets on the Ghan to or from Broken Hill or Melbourne. --Scott Davis Talk 03:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

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I can attest that the route of the GSR "Ghan" most certainly does not include Broken Hill. The current route of this train is Adeliade, SA to Darwin, NT. The westbound Sunday "Indian Pacific", departing Broken Hill at 0820, connects with the "Ghan" at Adelaide. The reverse connection at Adelaide takes place on Friday morning. The is a second "Ghan" service ex Adelaide to Darwin as of 1st April. It, however, does not offer a same-day connection with the "IP" at Adelaide. John S Lasher, Broken Hill, NSW.--Jslasher 02:47, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The Ghan used to stop at Broken Hill before the Adelaide-Darwin link was completed in 2004. Before that, the train ran twice a week but once from Sydney and once from Melbourne. Since the introduction of the Darwin link the train no longer has the time to run to Sydney or Melbourne, so the Overland and Indian Pacific schedules were changed to meet up with the Ghan and it now only runs to Adelaide. JROBBO 05:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Time zone
Could someone explain why Broken Hill is in different timezone to the rest of NSW ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.154.63.92 (talk) 07:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it is in the far west of the state, much closer to Adelaide than Sydney and it shares close economic and cultural ties with South Australia. In a sane division of states and territories, it would be in SA. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 08:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions
As a once-only visitor to Broken Hill, I would like to suggest that it would be worthwhile including mention of the extensive use of corrugated iron in construction of houses throughout Broken Hill.

This is uncommon enough throughout New South Wales (as a continuing construction material!) to be worthy of mentioning, and I suggest there should be a few buildings which would be worthwhile photographing.

I'm not talking about corrugated iron roofing but corrugated iron / pressed metal exterior wall cladding.

When I visited a few years ago and commented on it, locals were very blase about it but as a visitor it is a striking feature of the city. --Garrie 02:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Some of this stuff was copied straight off the BH council website, (www.brokenhill.nsw.gov.au)mainly the poetic writings.

- Everywhere in the Outback is built with corrugated iron - it was the only building material that could fit on the back of a camel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.71.3 (talk) 08:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

--- Since I am unfamiliar with how to work this I am leaving links here if any editor cares to use them

reference to gold storage at bhill ww2 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/50334559 http://trove.nla.gov.au/list?id=31487

time zone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Australia#History http://www.timeanddate.com/time/australia/time-zones-background.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.38.197.218 (talk) 13:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Mike Patton!
Ah, riiiiiiiiiight, Mike Patton from Faith No More is from Broken Hill! Really, I have no idea, but you've got to be kidding me. Very funny whoever popped his name on the list. I can officially say, it is now Removed.jkm 15:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Plugga... I think the same goes for a few more people on this list.

Non-Noteworthy People
Fathers putting their sons in as "noteworthy people" for local football clubs, should be advised to cite reference to some form of fame, or else have the names removed. I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks in this way. As a Broken Hill resident, I can understand the inclusion of Sandman, and The Pajazoes, but unfortunately people with the occupation of bagging groceries and playing a game each weekend don't constitute as noteworthy to the community, let alone tourists. 123.243.79.59 (talk) 04:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.132.83.251 (talk) 04:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Brochure or article?
Some parts of this article seem like they could have been taken straight out of a brochure from the tourist centre. Maybe a more nuetral explanation of tourism and other facets is required. La Suricata de vuelo de España (talk) 14:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Electric Power
"A HVDC back-to-back station with a maximum transmission rate of 40 megawatts was built at Broken Hill in 1986. It consists of 2 static inverters working with a voltage of 8.33 kV. After this station was operational the two other power stations closed and their equipment was gradually removed."

An HVDC back-to-back station merely connects two stations (either on different frequencies or at least not phase-locked). It does not produce any power.

The first part of the section on Electric Power implies that by the 1980s there were only two stations left, and states that these were connected "as a grid" i.e. phase-locked and directly connected. What stations did the HVDC back-to-back system connect? and which stations were then demolished? GregoryGoon (talk) 11:38, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't know the timing of Galena street shutting down but the hall isn't demolished http://bdtruth.com.au/main/news/article/836-Cars-bikes-stunts.html https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-31.961063,141.449031&spn=0.001156,0.001719&t=h&z=19 It is a hardware shop now It was the town power

Nor is Central power which seems to have shut 1986 http://www.brokenhillaustralia.com.au/film-broken-hill/broken-hill-studios/, though it looks more like falling down at ground level https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-31.975232,141.459972&spn=0.002312,0.003439&t=h&z=18 Mostly mine power, mine stations also provided some domestic areas, mostly mine staff and I recall some social institutions. from memory.

Southern power also terminated then ?? http://www.westyunited.com/2880/craker/page64.htm though the hall looks operational in 2013 https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=-31.988987,141.443589&spn=0.004623,0.006877&t=h&z=17

Ahh, the summer I spent treating rust on kilometeres of waste hot water pipes and painting them in 1975, hot summer, hot pipes, no shade.. I think Southern had Nordbergs 9cl (?) and Mirrlees 24cyl(?) Mine power station One thing about the Mines stations, they provided different output for different legacy equipment a lot of 40hz 50hz 60hz heavy gear. and also used regenerative breaking off the winders, supplied hot water to mills and a LOT of high pressure air to the undergroung workings. I think the regenerative went it to air..but it was nearly 40 years ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.38.197.218 (talk) 14:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Electric Power
"A HVDC back-to-back station with a maximum transmission rate of 40 megawatts was built at Broken Hill in 1986. It consists of 2 static inverters working with a voltage of 8.33 kV. After this station was operational the two other power stations closed and their equipment was gradually removed."

An HVDC back-to-back station merely connects two stations (either on different frequencies or at least not phase-locked). It does not produce any power.

The first part of the section on Electric Power implies that by the 1980s there were only two stations left, and states that these were connected "as a grid" i.e. phase-locked and directly connected. What stations did the HVDC back-to-back system connect? and which stations were then demolished? GregoryGoon (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Coordinate error
The following coordinate fixes are needed for the coordinates are wrong, putting it in the ocean on the map.

—12.198.241.130 (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the incorrect (west longitude used in place of east longitude) coordinates in the lead. The coordinates displayed at the top of the article are sufficient, and the source cited for those in the lead contains U.S. gazetteer data and has nothing to do with Australia. Deor (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

The text says 220 meters elevation, but the infobox says 315 meters. At least one of these values should be corrected? 50.139.42.221 (talk) 22:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It's hilly country. (I guess the name of the town reflects that!) Looking at the figures for the locations of Bureau of Meteorology weather stations (a common source for this stuff in Australia), the 220 metres is wrong (too low). A low point in the area would be the airport at 281 metres, and the 315 metres is for the older station nearer the centre of town. I recommend we go with the latter. (Do we have a policy?) HiLo48 (talk) 23:25, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I have boldly changed the elevation in the text to 315 metres. HiLo48 (talk) 10:33, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 10:51, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Broken Hill, New South Wales → Broken Hill – Broken Hill currently redirects to Broken Hill, New South Wales but this is unnecessary according to Naming_conventions_(geographic_names) which states verbatim the name of a city or town may be used alone if the place is the primary or only topic for that name. Broken Hill, New South Wales has been viewed 22155 times in the last 90 days, that's the disambiguated title not Broken Hill; whilst Broken Hill (film) has been viewed 3241 times in the last 90 days so seems a no-brainer WP:PRIMARYTOPIC move. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:39, 20 July 2014 (UTC) Zarcadia (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC) Zarcadia (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment "Broken Hill" was merged here in 2004, so the edit history will need to be displaced. This could be done with a swap of locations. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose – moving to a more ambiguous title helps nobody, when we already have a perfectly good naturally disambiguated title that distinguishes the city from the film. Dicklyon (talk) 18:31, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Dicklyon.    ArcAngel    (talk) ) 04:43, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
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Education
There's no mention of schools. It should be under education. Seems to give the wrong impression a town with 20 thousand not having a mention of schools.

Pre. Rainbow Pre-School.

Primary. Burke Ward Public School 185 Rakow St. Morgan Street Public School. Alma Public School. Broken Hill North Public School. Railway Public School 72 Harris St.

Secondary. Broken Hill High School garnet street. Willyama High School. Broken Hill Public School Mica St.

Tertiary TAFE 72 Argent Street. TAFE 248 Argent Street.

HE Charles Sturt University - Broken Hill Robinson College 1 Wentworth Rd.

Hospital
Mentioning the town has a hospital should be put under health perhaps. Perhaps even the former one. But the former one could be put under history.

Sport
Mentioned is 5 footballers but what is not mentioned is the town has quite a number of teams. Their is sufficient local sport worthy of mention.

History
The old council chambers facade 256 Argent Street is worth mentioning for it's architecture and stonework. Stoneworks unique.

Requested move 3 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. History swap performed in order to preserve attribution history. Jenks24 (talk) 18:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Broken Hill, New South Wales → Broken Hill – WP:NCAUST states that the state of a city is not required in the article title if it is the primary topic. Alternatively, the disambiguation page should be moved to Broken Hill if it is determined that the city is not the primary topic for "Broken Hill" in this discussion. Either way, the status quo is inappropriate. SST flyer  07:53, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NCAUST.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   13:24, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


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Suggested Edits
‎Reverted by HiLo48 who says “I don't see those changes as an improvement”

1. The first whites to visit the area was then Surveyor General of New South Wales, Major Thomas Mitchell, in 1841.

Grammar: one person is not a “whites”
 * The first of the whites to visit the area was the then-Surveyor General of New South Wales, Major Thomas Mitchell, in 1841.

2. Rasp and six associates founded the Broken Hill Proprietary Company (BHP), later BHP Billiton, and now BHP again, in 1885 as the Syndicate of Seven.

Readability: the focus is on “founded”, then “name change”, then back to “founded”. Dashes (rather than brackets), let the eye know that the phrase is an aside.
 * Rasp and six associates founded the Broken Hill Proprietary Company (BHP)—later BHP Billiton, and now BHP again—in 1885 as the Syndicate of Seven.

MBG02 (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that comment echoes some of the issues I found with the edits I reverted, which was, in the complete absence of any explanation (please read WP:EDITSUMMARY), some changes I simply saw no point in. Even the comment above doesn't do a very good job of explaining those changes. I agree that the bit about Major Thomas Mitchell could do with some tidying up, but I have my doubts about its accuracy in multiple ways. Have a look at his article. It doesn't mention Broken Hill. The closest he got was Menindee Lakes, and he was there with a party of 21 men. So there were multiple "whites". The whole section needs a major rewrite. HiLo48 (talk) 00:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The only aspect I want to comment on is the dashes which were out of place and I was about to delete those when the whole edit was reverted.Fleet Lists (talk) 05:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

TV and Film production
This is a pretty big deal in BH and there are heaps of films and shows which have been made here. IMDB lists 104 titles. There are heaps more films on IMDB than my initial list -- https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?locations=Broken+Hill%2C+New+South+Wales%2C+Australia -- but I don't know if this is an acceptable source for referencing. Also some of these are more notable (e.g. Mad Max 2) due to the bulk of primary production occurring in BH, but then others (e.g. Mission Impossible 2) simply used BH for a few minor scenes. TheJosh (talk) 02:59, 27 July 2021 (UTC)